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Dan's avatar

It's over. Whoever it is that they are serving in Rome, it is not our Lord. The hierarchy looks upon those laity that still believe and long for the Catholic Faith as obstacles. They will ignore us until we are dead. Frankly it has disappointed me that the SSPX lacks the courage to utterly break with Rome.

I would like to think that if that happened the wolves posing as shepherds would be forced to change.

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Paul Dale's avatar

Oh that is really clever! To break with the One True Church. No you need to be in the Church and fight to change it. First we must understand that Leo XIV is not the pope based on two popes laws: Pope Paul IV whose bull stated that no pope could be elected who is a heretic (Cardinal Prevost has publicly supported Fiducia Supplicans and denied the right for states to have the death penalty); and Pope John Paul II whose law, Universi Dominici Gregis, governing the election pope ,explicitedly states that the number of cardinals who could vote in a conclave is 120 (the cardinals insisted on the masonic number of 133 - 66 + 1 + 66) which in his law is irritus. We have a sede vacante, both popes laws have not been rescinded. When we understand that the cardinals have failed in their duty then apostolic law, as per St.Peter, take precedence; that the faithful of Rome have the right to elect the pope. This is what Fra Alexis Bugnolo at fromrome.info has been speaking about. https://www.fromrome.info/2025/07/01/on-the-forfeiture-of-right-its-importance-for-today/

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John of Rochester's avatar

Well said Paul! I will add that talking about other subjects and not talking about the invalid election is a distraction. There is nothing more urgent and important at this time than this!

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Evangeline's avatar

You may be young and clearly have more energy for the battle. God bless you, some of us are tired after Francis' nonsense for 12 miserable years.

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Paul Dale's avatar

We can never be tired, let alone depressed, when fighting to save Holy Mother

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Sonia's avatar

I would venture to guess that Dan meant "break with apostate 'modernist Rome''. As in cease to recognise a wolf as the Vicar of Christ. Prevost is not the problem. V2 is a different religion. Prevost is merely the latest 'prime presbyter' of a non-Catholic denomination the purpose of which is to suppress the Catholic Faith and lead souls to hell.

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Paul Dale's avatar

You mean like Luther? Noo, there are ways and means to challenge this modernist heresy. As Brother Alexis has reported for years during Francis time, he was an anti-pope while Benedict lived. He was always pushing the Sutri Initiative https://www.fromrome.info/2023/10/20/the-sutri-initiative-to-put-an-end-to-the-heresies-blasphemies-scandals-perpetrated-by-pope-francis/ . I, and others, wrote letters and emails to the bishops in the arch diocese of Rome pleading them to call a Provincial Council to call Francis to account. The trad inc grifters ignored this. This was Catholic Action. Now Fra Alexis is calling for an assembly of the Roman faithful to elect a pope, where the cardinals failed in their duty. This is Catholic Action that is legally allowed in the Church. Fight the Good Fight to save Holy Mother.

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Virginia Brown's avatar

It isn't a lack of courage on the part of the SSPX. It is an abundance of wisdom, long-suffering and fortitude. As a Third Order SSPX since it was founded, I have seen the Society weather all kinds of storms begun by all kinds of nutty priests. I have learned a strong lesson. Don't listen to or follow the nuts. You can spot them easily. No matter how intelligent and charming they may be. No matter how filled with love of God and zeal, they always lack on important quality. They are not obedient to their superiors. The SSPX has an abundance of good superiors. The SSPX is the safe lifeboat in this storm while the Barque of Peter, as led by our Conciliar Popes is, until the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, in constant peril. Without Archbishop Lefebvre and his Society, all would now already be lost...humanly speaking.

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Paul Dale's avatar

And yet they followed the antipope of Francis, and the covid scam, yeah, some lifeboat! Like all trad inc and priestly societies they stabbed Benedict in the back when he did more than any pope since 1958 to preserve the TLM. Shame on them.

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Evangeline's avatar

They might want to do some outreach not expect catholics to find them by following the North star.

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Al's avatar

AMEN!

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

I cannot agree more. Catholic leadership has completely succumbed to the globalist, materialist, utopian paradigm embraced at Vatican II.

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Evangeline's avatar

The SSPX seems pretty useless to me. They are invisible and wheres the invitation to hurting catholics? Theres far too much cowardice and CYA in the catholic world by these churchmen. Theyre all effeminate as far as i can tell.

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E Maria Villa's avatar

So it sounds like you want to start your own religion now like the over 32,000 Protestant Denominations? The Catholic Church IS Christ's Church, not man's.

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Sonia's avatar

The Catholic Church - in her infallible teachings - recognises V2 and its leaders as being outside the Church but squatting in its buildings.

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Pat's avatar

"That sudden shift wasn’t based on any doctrinal clarification or papal repentance." Correct. But in part it was based on the hope that with a perfect opportunity, a man who was unknown, if he was a holy man, could have been the answer to our prayers. Now I still look upon him as a man who had the opportunity, but didn't want to take it. As soon as he said Francis was in heaven I knew he at least wasn't very smart and at most was a destroyer.

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Stephen's avatar

Sometimes Pat, I think we all need to quietly reflect on whether or not we have become a member of the, "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see", club. Hasn't our naive "hope" allowed evil to spread? And now what do we do? Remember the words of Pope St. Plus X, "Prayer that does not manifest itself in Catholic action is no prayer at all."

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Pat's avatar

Whatever.

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Stephen's avatar

I "hope" I'm not misunderstanding, but, that response sounds like the definition of lukewarm.

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Pat's avatar

You are a judgemental and irritating asshole. Is that clear enough? Now piss off.

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Stephen's avatar

I guess I didn't misunderstand? What part of Sodomy being a sin that cries to God for vengeance do you not understand. Grow up!

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Pat's avatar

What do you mean?

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E Maria Villa's avatar

Yes, that comment he made of bergoglio in heaven was shocking since Bergoglio was a heretic and was NOT even Catholic!

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Myles Davidson's avatar

Why do you say he was "unknown"? He was known by many. He didn't fall from the sky!

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Pat's avatar

Because most Catholics didn't know who he was and that is a fact. Obviously his family did and other people did, I never said "totally" unknown. Why do you care enough to try to enter into conflict about it? Is it really SO important to you? You must be extremely busy correcting strangers all the time over technicalities. It's just rude.

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William Murphy's avatar

Thanks very much Chris. My scorecard on the topic "Is the former Robert Prevost now Francis II or Leo XIV?" now stands:

Francis 32. Leo 6.

I can sympathise with those who declared that Leo was really, really different from Francis. But their view was plainly the result of utter desperation. Another 10 or 20 years of Francis was unthinkable. But just because something is unspeakably horrible does not prevent it happening, as the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki discovered.

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Evangeline's avatar

We dared to hope for a second. Only divine intervention could have gotten us a Catholic pope, not the men Francis installed, we knew what he wanted. What we have now is a widening split between actual Catholics and modernists. We have no hope Leo will return us to Catholicism or save the TLM. Francis is dead and this is like Moms new boyfriend is an abusive sob just like the old boyfriend. At some point the bond snaps and you're out. When the TLM is banned everywhere its going to cause an exodus. But just the fact its banned in Charlotte and Detroit has impacted us all negatively. Its getting impossible to really love the abuser. We know theyre just biding their time for now. Theyll get around to it.

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fac's avatar
30mEdited

I never even hoped for a second. I knew the minute he walked onto the Loggia and it was announced he was an American from Chicago (and a Peruvian to boot, which only can translate as Liberation Theology) we were cooked.

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Paul Dale's avatar

Not only Divine Intervention, that smacks of resignation, desperation. There are means of action that the Church allows us to act. Brother Alexis is preparing the ground for the faithful of Rome to elect a pope, as Cardinal Prevost is not Leo XIV! See the law that Pope Nicholas II In Nomine Domine, where, as he introdued the cardinalature, he allowed for the faithful of Rome to elect the pope in times just like we are in. Please follow and support this action. Doing nothing is giving in to the satanic globalists.

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Timber Wolf's avatar

Pope Provost is orders of magnitude worse than Pope Frantic.

Pope Frantic could be dismissed as a one-off clown show. Cardinals Burke, Bishop Schneider, Bishop Strickland, and Archbishop Vigano, all with various shades of blather, could wring their collective hands and dump everything on Frantic, and go their sanctimonious and pious ways, and wring their hands, and ask "but what can we do?" For Twelve Years, everybody pretended that Pope Frantic was a bad dream, and that this too will pass, and the next Poop will undo all his bombastic and utterly sacrilegious proclamations. Well now, here we are.

"Rome will lose the Faith and Become the Seat of the Antichrist."

Any doubts left, Trad Inc?

Meanwhile, the solution is not the Traditional Mass. The solution is not Sedevacantism. The solution is not "Recognize and Resist". The solution is not to form our own parallel church, with our own magisterium. The solution IS Tradition. But more to the point, the ONLY solution is Our lady of Fatima.

If you are not an Apostle of the Immaculate Heart, you have utterly lost the plot, and risk becoming spiritually blind, and accursed by God.'

I have said it a thousand times, and if I had a thousand tongues I would proclaim all the louder: "Our Lady of Fatima is not optional, Our Lady of Fatima is not a 'Private Revelation'"! Our Lady of Fatima is Salvation History, and those of you who think otherwise are like the citizens of Jerusalem in Our Lord' Day, when He lamented that 'They have not known the Time of their Visitation!' If you are not with Our Lady at the Foot of the Cross, if you do not weep with Our Mother of Sorrows in the Cenacle, and if you still want to indulge in all the frivolties of the New Sodom, then do not expect things to go well for you come Judgment Day."

Clown Planet and Clown Church have progressed to peak insanity, and the vast majority stand there like the proverbial deer in the headlights.

Meanwhile, the Bogus Ordo is an abomination. Stop taking part in your own demise. Stop provoking the Wrath of God.

This Category Seven Geopolitical Storm is going to be bad enough as it is, once the missiles start flying again.

In the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

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E Maria Villa's avatar

Actually, the 'anti-christ' will reign in Jerusalem, the false Messiah the Jews have been waiting for.

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Timber Wolf's avatar

You are probably correct. He will appear in the reconstructed Temple. That is the opinion of the fathers of the Church. Red heifers and all that.

In the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

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Al's avatar

Great comment except for the part where you call both of them “popes.”

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Timber Wolf's avatar

Personally, I do think Frantic was an Antipope. As for Provost, be he pope or not, he is a flaming heretic.

At this point, I am a Sede-Agnostic (Hey, I think I just invented new terminology.) At any rate, I am not going to argue one side or the other. I think it is pointless so long as we are united under the mantle of Our Lady of Fatima. We all have our opinions, but can we pray Our Lady’s Psalter together, looking to her for the solution out of this Great Apostasy?

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Dan's avatar

I won't use this comment section to engage in any argument, but my feelings about the current state of the Church is that THEY have left the Church, not myself. I avoid the Phil Donahue like thera-priests, they never talk about anything that Greta Thunberg wouldn't endorse. It is utterly absurd what passes for Catholicism these days. (I am old) I hope for a decline in numbers so great they are forced to change. I liken the Church to a restaurant that changes their menu from life giving bread and fish, to stones and scorpions. If the restaurant loses enough patrons, the chefs just might change the menu.

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David Charles's avatar

On this point, I fear that they don't really need the laity's money anymore. They have figured out that they can generate revenue other ways.

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Evangeline's avatar

China pays them 1.4 billion yearly or thereabout. They dont need our money as much. But bad PR is a problem, if catholics start being loud or stop attending. Problem! We dont use our numbers adequately.

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TruthSeeker's avatar

This is disturbing, to say the least. My hope for an orthodox pope has been fading, and I’m not a Trad Inc member, just a true and faithful Catholic. Lord, have mercy on us and on your Holy Church. St Joseph, pray for us.

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E Maria Villa's avatar

God gives us what we deserve !

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TruthSeeker's avatar

I don’t agree with this but I know the point you are trying to make. I think He is separating the wheat from the chaff.

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John of Rochester's avatar

Since Prevost's election was invalid then the faithful of Rome can elect a true Catholic pope per Pope Nicolas II Bull In Nome Domine.

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/06/01/project-save-rome/

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TruthSeeker's avatar

I think it’s extremely unlikely that this will ever happen. We tolerated Francis for thirteen years and if ever there was a pope to be replaced in modern times, to my knowledge, it was him. I think we are on a collision course with destiny and our efforts are better spent in prayer and preparation. Remain faithful to the timeless teachings of the Church and the Word of God; pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet. We are fighting a war that only God will win.

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Al's avatar

Only an antipope would continue the heresy of a former antipope. But, at least he prays the Lord’s Prayer in Latin and wears nice ecclesiastical garb. The deception continues unabated.

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Paul Dale's avatar

Prevost is a usurper pope

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John of Rochester's avatar

That one does nothing but prayer and reparation: This is what Trad Inc wants!

This is certainly not enough. We must act according to canon law to reform the Church. Anything less is to fall into one of the capital vices.

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VIcho's avatar

Will Prayer and Reparation is a start. For someone who knows nothing about Canon Law what law are you referring to?

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fac's avatar
14hEdited

One of the things that always catches my eye in this Modernist religion is using "being pastoral" as an excuse to permit serious and deadly sin.

How is anyone falling for the argument that we have to be lenient (a.k.a. pastoral) with regards to serious (mortal) sin, instead of insistent that certain acts are gravely sinful in every case, and there are no mitigating circumstances when it comes to sins such as homosexual acts, or relationships based on that perversion, or with regards to divorce and an adulterous remarriage?

They make sure to say they are not changing doctrine but are simply being "pastoral," but this "being pastoral" allows things contrary to doctrine. How does that even make sense?

Didn't St. James tell us be doers of the word, not just hearers only? He says if we are hearers only we're deluding ourselves. I don't know how much more plain that can be.

"Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deluding yourselves. ... But the one who peers into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres, and is not a hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, such a one shall be blessed in what he does." James 1:22, 24-25

And even more to the reality of this all (which came to mind after I posted this comment), Our Lord Himself said:

“Everyone who listens to these words of mine and PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock. And everyone who listens to these words of mine but DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE will be like a FOOL who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined." Matt 7:24-27

Obviously this heresy of paying lip service to the Gospel and commandments of God while continuing to live a life of mortal sin showed up early in the Church. I guess it's one of those oldies but goodies that can be trotted out again and again in order to deceive new generations into just continuing to sin and lulling them into sleep about it.

I don't think it's going to get better anytime soon.

I know they are not going to win in the end, but oh, the number of souls that will be lost in the meantime. One thing we can do is pray for the conversion of sinners daily. Don't ever think those prayers are not effective, or are just disappearing into the void. They are highly effective and very powerful, and God hears them and answers them. That's why the devil discourages us from praying them, telling us they are not working, and making us feel like we're wasting our time. Don't believe that. Believe Our Lady, and don't ever doubt God is using your rosaries and prayers for souls to kick the devil's you-know-what.

Imagine the humiliation inflicted on the devil that little old weak you are the instrument of his defeat. Delicious!

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Dianne Raimondi's avatar

Rome wil get deeper ion apostacy! Will the laity be loyal to Jesus Christ????

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John of Rochester's avatar

Indeed it is a start, but prayer and reparation needs to be followed by action. I invite you to follow www.fromrome.info and in particular to read this article and dig into each of the pages linked in the article:

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/06/01/project-save-rome/

To summarize: Prevost’s election was invalid because the cardinals violated Pope JPII papal law on elections Universi Dominici Gregis by having 133 cardinals voting when the maximum allowed is 120 and also because they elected a candidate who had made statements against catholic doctrine (Fiducia Supplicans, Amoris Laetitia etc), contrary to Pope Paul IV’s Bull Cum ex Apostolatus Oficio. Because that a man is pope is not a presumption of fact but a conclusion of the law, and the law was not followed in the election of May 8th, 2025. Jesus himself confirms the juridical nature of the Church when he tells St Peter in Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heave, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heave.”

Since the cardinals failed in their duty to elect a Catholic pope, according to the Pope Nicolas II’s Bull In Nome Domine, in cases where the election is not pure, sincere and free, the faithful of Rome have the right to assemble and elect a Catholic pope.

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/06/11/pope-nicholas-iii-infallibly-taught-that-faithful-can-elect-a-catholic-pope/

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Sacerdotus's avatar

Fake news. Catholics posting nonsense to make money as usual.

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scott foresman's avatar

Has the Lampstand been removed?

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Sonia's avatar

Catholics of good will have a choice: continue to pretend the V2 organisation of blasphemous heretical NWO WCC UN nonsense is their 'mother', or denounce the ape and cleave to Christ's Church where the 'deposit of Faith - the Tradition handed down from the Apostles...' is safeguarded and promulgated. Prevost is not a Catholic authority; he is a 'global leader'.

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