The SSPX waived the white flag in 2012, but it had been stealthily reaching out to Rome since Lefebvre’s death)and had moles working in that direction at the top even before then).
The turning point was development of the birth control pill. That was the moment when man concluded that he could control anything and everything, that he had finally “benched” God.
If you want to see how really bad it is, go to Rorate Caeli and see what our new modernist bishop has in store even for those who attend the Novus Ordo. All tradition and beauty are to be wiped out. If there is no resistance from the priests, everything we accomplished over the last twenty years in the Diocese of Charlotte will be wiped out. We do at least have an SSPX chapel for refuge. May God have mercy on us.
The only problem I see with Lefebvre and Fellay, is that they both eventually caved to all of post-Vatican II “popes” by accepting Vatican II and the Novus Ordo as both valid and licit. The SSPX leadership want to reunite with the Modernist, heretical, apostate church rather than be called Sedevacantists. How sad.
Still waiting for BlackSwan event, the Hand of God that will wipe away GreatSatan and States' gov, leaving only local gov.
His Just Defending Hand might be in the Form of; CivilWar, WWIII, Fire from Sky, .. and His Justice will protect us all from the Synagogue-of-Satan's minions. They will never harm another family, from the grave.
The Body of Jesus Christ on Earth must do the same. We will know the time to act with Prudence - and when it is time - do not burn the Vatican down!
I think the TLM has many issues, and the largest issue is not embracing Vatican II. V.II was sent confirmed and finalized by the GOD himself thru the Holy Spirit, The Pope and Magisterium (including B. Lefebvre) if you deny V.II, by definition you have denied Christ himself. The real problem is that V. II exposed the true state of the church, the true state of the Bishops, especially in the US. Trumping Lefvbre (who died in a schematic state- and I pray for his soul) ranks up to the equivalent as say… Luther!!! Calvin!!!
TLM needs to find better champions of Obedience.
Today the culture of the TLM is very Cultish. How on earth could any REAL Catholic say on any day of the week that the NO is dismal or outrageous?! “Is the Lord not Truly Present in the Eucharist!”
Shame on any Catholic that would even consider saying such words, these words ARE a Desecration. How can one say that I am more holy or closer to God when I attend a reverent mass, when you turn your head and see and scarf at other families who are not well educated with the sin of pride. Better for you to repent and pull the log out of your own eye, Craig said love your neighbor love your enemy. How does the TLM love anyone that doesn’t believe what they believe? Very cultish, and I hope and pray that this attitude dies out very quickly.
Instead, bros fight for truth in the realities that we are given, plead to the bishops to remove communion on the hand. Plead to the bishops to bring back communion rails in all NO masses. Plead to the bishops and fight for your brothers and sisters who are in the NO masses and are not informed or educated.
It is a lie, not a truth, to believe that salvation only comes in the TLM form.
Unfortunately, this article presents many of those such lies. How can we have respect for mother church or the magisterium when we call the Holy Father by his ‘Bergoglio’ name? This too, is disgraceful and needs to change.
Get on your knees and pray for our pope for there is a very good chance He will be here for more than 20 years, pray for his conversion and his total unity with our Lord, write those letters to your bishops.
Don’t fight for further division in the church, fight for her unity, a purified V.II church that has been handed down to us by the Holy Spirit. Vatican II was not a mistake, it has become OUR mission!
You’re spot on! I’ll never understand why the Society (Bishop Fellay and Archbishop Lefebvre) decided to accept Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, and the new Sacaments as valid but illicit. Instead of the Society working to call the heretical apostates back to the true Faith, the Society wants to “reunite” with Rome. Who left the Church first? The Society or Rome? The only explanation I can think of is that the Society is scared to death to say that the Sedevacantists are right.
However, the Council of Trent and Pope Saint Pius V codified the Latin Mass in the Roman rite- never to be changed or modified in any way in perpetuity. Montini had no right to change or suppress or abolish any of the minor orders or to suppress/abolish the Latin Mass. Only an antipope can do that.
Has Trad Inc. Supposedly Succumbed to the Stockholm Syndrome?
The highly organized section of traditionalist Catholics who so constitute a sort of officialdom, denominated as Trad Inc., appears to have yielded a portion of their precious sanity, over the coming of the EVIL anti-Pope Leo XIV. They now do try hard to see various disputed matters from the unique perspective of the Modernist persecutors of the Traditional Latin Mass Community (TLMC). What is the troubling problem properly exposed here?
In earlier times, they, for instance, might have even warmly so sympathized with notable Emperor Marcus Aurelius, as a fairly enlightened despot, who had eagerly persecuted the Christians -- for the truly best of intentions, as they might have then just blithely assumed.
Of course, all good Catholics, e. g., ought to earnestly pray for the salvation of Leo XIV's soul; however, it is not at all morally mandatory to ever cheer him on, as a persecutor of the Holy Catholic Faith, because he may be genuinely filled, after all, with some very good intentions. Trad Inc., thus, seems to have sadly fallen into a strangely Christian version of the amazing Stockholm Syndrome, by greeting the arrival of this new rendition of a Modernist so-called Pope, with an odd enthusiasm. Fortunately, the TLMC is not a monolithic organism that all simply moves, in only one solid direction, at some central command.
Some intelligent traditionalists, at least, usually the RadTrads, have still reserved a healthy and needed skepticism, regarding the Modernist clique or cabal that runs Vatican affairs, since the highly heretical Second Vatican Council. They do rightly know that the entire, the complete, Holy Catholic Faith is to be ever absolutely defended and affirmed, not just or simply an isolated concern, however profound, for the TLM itself.
Trad Inc., now, appears to be quite very grateful for the continued and too blatant marginalization, contempt, derision, persecution, hatred, etc. heaped upon the TLM, in the verily sick way that a true masochist surely so loves his pain and suffering.
Fortunately, the cognitively steady RadTrads have not been easily fooled, because they do not wish to be fooled, unlike the verily idiotic situation of Trad Inc. and its too many, many self-deluded followers. Q. E. D.
Okay. So what do we in the trenches do? Where do we go to mass? Where do we receive sound catechesis? Whom can we trust? Should we all just move to Portugal and hang out in the mountains praying and fasting? I'm not sure how much more analysis of the problem (which I value very much) I can take without plans and solutions to balance it.
To help to maintain the truly Catholic perspective and foster a true Catholic mindset, we find it's been very helpful to read!! Dom Gueranger, The Liturgical Year!!; and sermons from 17th, 18th, 19th centuries! Archives.com can give you access to them, if you don't have funds to purchase them! Fr. Franz Hunolt, Cardinal Manning, Bishop Massillon, Abbot Joseph Rivius, Fr. Thomas White, Fathers and Doctors of the Church, St. John Vianney, St. Alphonsus Liguori, etc. Amazing how the deposit of Faith can be traced through so many centuries! It's encouraging, it's challenging, and it's beautiful! One book we would surely recommend, is "The Return of the King" by Fr. James Coleridge!
I would add to also go to the nearest chapel or Church to visit the Blessed Sacrament, study the Catechism of Trent and Credo, listen to Gregorian chants, and sound homilies online. Basically while in our fox holes feed the soul and pray. The end goal is Heaven, preparing for judgement and at the same time work to not a give an inch to the enemy to who I say "nuts". They won't get our knees, our TLM missal, our ties and veils. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS. (Charlton Heston, Charlotte 2000)
Your zeal is admirable and necessary but I fear you've gone a bit too far. That said, and more particularly, I need ask what prompts your suggestion that the current pontificate "might be lucky if he has twenty months." Such undermines your veracity. Further, being a great devotee of Our Lady of Fatima for many decades, I find myself unsettled by the current state of the Church in Portugal which, painfully, appears further over the edge of error than I ever would have imagined...
Great post.
The SSPX waived the white flag in 2012, but it had been stealthily reaching out to Rome since Lefebvre’s death)and had moles working in that direction at the top even before then).
The turning point was development of the birth control pill. That was the moment when man concluded that he could control anything and everything, that he had finally “benched” God.
You are so right, the Masonic cancer in the Church is at stage 4 and denying it still means extinction.
They prayed for the sodomite “Saint” Paul the 6th this morning- the Masonic Vatican 2 destroyer. Like he stunk up the Vatican his odor lingers.
Pray the Rosary. All 3 Sets of Mysteries every day. Our Lady wins. Everybody else loses.
If you want to see how really bad it is, go to Rorate Caeli and see what our new modernist bishop has in store even for those who attend the Novus Ordo. All tradition and beauty are to be wiped out. If there is no resistance from the priests, everything we accomplished over the last twenty years in the Diocese of Charlotte will be wiped out. We do at least have an SSPX chapel for refuge. May God have mercy on us.
Donna Ellington
Try the CMRI if possible. The SSPX is doctrinally compromised.
The only problem I see with Lefebvre and Fellay, is that they both eventually caved to all of post-Vatican II “popes” by accepting Vatican II and the Novus Ordo as both valid and licit. The SSPX leadership want to reunite with the Modernist, heretical, apostate church rather than be called Sedevacantists. How sad.
So very true.
Prudence and Fortitude.
When the State took my son, I waited in peace.
Still waiting for BlackSwan event, the Hand of God that will wipe away GreatSatan and States' gov, leaving only local gov.
His Just Defending Hand might be in the Form of; CivilWar, WWIII, Fire from Sky, .. and His Justice will protect us all from the Synagogue-of-Satan's minions. They will never harm another family, from the grave.
The Body of Jesus Christ on Earth must do the same. We will know the time to act with Prudence - and when it is time - do not burn the Vatican down!
I think the TLM has many issues, and the largest issue is not embracing Vatican II. V.II was sent confirmed and finalized by the GOD himself thru the Holy Spirit, The Pope and Magisterium (including B. Lefebvre) if you deny V.II, by definition you have denied Christ himself. The real problem is that V. II exposed the true state of the church, the true state of the Bishops, especially in the US. Trumping Lefvbre (who died in a schematic state- and I pray for his soul) ranks up to the equivalent as say… Luther!!! Calvin!!!
TLM needs to find better champions of Obedience.
Today the culture of the TLM is very Cultish. How on earth could any REAL Catholic say on any day of the week that the NO is dismal or outrageous?! “Is the Lord not Truly Present in the Eucharist!”
Shame on any Catholic that would even consider saying such words, these words ARE a Desecration. How can one say that I am more holy or closer to God when I attend a reverent mass, when you turn your head and see and scarf at other families who are not well educated with the sin of pride. Better for you to repent and pull the log out of your own eye, Craig said love your neighbor love your enemy. How does the TLM love anyone that doesn’t believe what they believe? Very cultish, and I hope and pray that this attitude dies out very quickly.
Instead, bros fight for truth in the realities that we are given, plead to the bishops to remove communion on the hand. Plead to the bishops to bring back communion rails in all NO masses. Plead to the bishops and fight for your brothers and sisters who are in the NO masses and are not informed or educated.
It is a lie, not a truth, to believe that salvation only comes in the TLM form.
Unfortunately, this article presents many of those such lies. How can we have respect for mother church or the magisterium when we call the Holy Father by his ‘Bergoglio’ name? This too, is disgraceful and needs to change.
Get on your knees and pray for our pope for there is a very good chance He will be here for more than 20 years, pray for his conversion and his total unity with our Lord, write those letters to your bishops.
Don’t fight for further division in the church, fight for her unity, a purified V.II church that has been handed down to us by the Holy Spirit. Vatican II was not a mistake, it has become OUR mission!
Why embrace heresy?
You’re spot on! I’ll never understand why the Society (Bishop Fellay and Archbishop Lefebvre) decided to accept Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, and the new Sacaments as valid but illicit. Instead of the Society working to call the heretical apostates back to the true Faith, the Society wants to “reunite” with Rome. Who left the Church first? The Society or Rome? The only explanation I can think of is that the Society is scared to death to say that the Sedevacantists are right.
And, both the Sedes, SSPX, and all of the Catholic Eastern rites still have all of the ordained minor orders.
Additionally, Montini abolished the minor orders which he also did not have the power to do.
“We didn’t leave, you left!” Is literally what every single schismatic group in history has said to Rome lol
However, the Council of Trent and Pope Saint Pius V codified the Latin Mass in the Roman rite- never to be changed or modified in any way in perpetuity. Montini had no right to change or suppress or abolish any of the minor orders or to suppress/abolish the Latin Mass. Only an antipope can do that.
Complete shock! The blog post with the sole identity of not being in communion with the Church finds fault with the Pope.
What blog is that?
Certainly not this one.
Neither of those claims are magisterial
Has Trad Inc. Supposedly Succumbed to the Stockholm Syndrome?
The highly organized section of traditionalist Catholics who so constitute a sort of officialdom, denominated as Trad Inc., appears to have yielded a portion of their precious sanity, over the coming of the EVIL anti-Pope Leo XIV. They now do try hard to see various disputed matters from the unique perspective of the Modernist persecutors of the Traditional Latin Mass Community (TLMC). What is the troubling problem properly exposed here?
In earlier times, they, for instance, might have even warmly so sympathized with notable Emperor Marcus Aurelius, as a fairly enlightened despot, who had eagerly persecuted the Christians -- for the truly best of intentions, as they might have then just blithely assumed.
Of course, all good Catholics, e. g., ought to earnestly pray for the salvation of Leo XIV's soul; however, it is not at all morally mandatory to ever cheer him on, as a persecutor of the Holy Catholic Faith, because he may be genuinely filled, after all, with some very good intentions. Trad Inc., thus, seems to have sadly fallen into a strangely Christian version of the amazing Stockholm Syndrome, by greeting the arrival of this new rendition of a Modernist so-called Pope, with an odd enthusiasm. Fortunately, the TLMC is not a monolithic organism that all simply moves, in only one solid direction, at some central command.
Some intelligent traditionalists, at least, usually the RadTrads, have still reserved a healthy and needed skepticism, regarding the Modernist clique or cabal that runs Vatican affairs, since the highly heretical Second Vatican Council. They do rightly know that the entire, the complete, Holy Catholic Faith is to be ever absolutely defended and affirmed, not just or simply an isolated concern, however profound, for the TLM itself.
Trad Inc., now, appears to be quite very grateful for the continued and too blatant marginalization, contempt, derision, persecution, hatred, etc. heaped upon the TLM, in the verily sick way that a true masochist surely so loves his pain and suffering.
Fortunately, the cognitively steady RadTrads have not been easily fooled, because they do not wish to be fooled, unlike the verily idiotic situation of Trad Inc. and its too many, many self-deluded followers. Q. E. D.
Athanasius contra mundum!
Okay. So what do we in the trenches do? Where do we go to mass? Where do we receive sound catechesis? Whom can we trust? Should we all just move to Portugal and hang out in the mountains praying and fasting? I'm not sure how much more analysis of the problem (which I value very much) I can take without plans and solutions to balance it.
To help to maintain the truly Catholic perspective and foster a true Catholic mindset, we find it's been very helpful to read!! Dom Gueranger, The Liturgical Year!!; and sermons from 17th, 18th, 19th centuries! Archives.com can give you access to them, if you don't have funds to purchase them! Fr. Franz Hunolt, Cardinal Manning, Bishop Massillon, Abbot Joseph Rivius, Fr. Thomas White, Fathers and Doctors of the Church, St. John Vianney, St. Alphonsus Liguori, etc. Amazing how the deposit of Faith can be traced through so many centuries! It's encouraging, it's challenging, and it's beautiful! One book we would surely recommend, is "The Return of the King" by Fr. James Coleridge!
Try to find a CMRI chapel. That’s what I did.
Amen to that
I would add to also go to the nearest chapel or Church to visit the Blessed Sacrament, study the Catechism of Trent and Credo, listen to Gregorian chants, and sound homilies online. Basically while in our fox holes feed the soul and pray. The end goal is Heaven, preparing for judgement and at the same time work to not a give an inch to the enemy to who I say "nuts". They won't get our knees, our TLM missal, our ties and veils. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS. (Charlton Heston, Charlotte 2000)
EXCELLENT. Thank you 🙏🌹💝‼️
Your zeal is admirable and necessary but I fear you've gone a bit too far. That said, and more particularly, I need ask what prompts your suggestion that the current pontificate "might be lucky if he has twenty months." Such undermines your veracity. Further, being a great devotee of Our Lady of Fatima for many decades, I find myself unsettled by the current state of the Church in Portugal which, painfully, appears further over the edge of error than I ever would have imagined...