Zen names the manipulation, Rorate sells rehab, Leo trades the Cross for branding, and the diplomatic corps gets a January sermon for the borderless world
Has Mr. Feser noticed that the words Leo uses "language is becoming more and more a weapon with which to deceive" applies to the Vatican's current administration?
Feser writes, "...a diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force… "
Sure, when Maduro overthrows the election against him and decides to stay in power, we should just dialogue and seek consensus with him. That sure wasn't much help to the oppressed and impoverished Venezuelan people, was it.
Evil usually has to be resisted with force, not dialogue. When you need the police, you better hope they show up with guns on their hips.
i read a synopsis of Leo's aka Robert Prevost's opening remarks, and the first thought that came to mind was: CONTROL. Control the faithful, control the Church, but in a modernistic progressive way, so minds will be changed, attitudes and hearts will be changed from the Truth, to a touchy feely faith, that accepts all and not the guidelines so to speak, given to us to lead our lives in this new Synodal NuChurch of Jorge Bergoglio.
A Church that has no restraints, no following the rules, all is possible without the Cross of Jesus Christ, no consequences of sin. unity with all regardless of faith, acceptances as one is, not requiring any change in one's lives. Accepting all in their sin, as Jorge said, all will go to heaven.
First - excellent post...Second - interesting how a Cardinal who has a firm grasp/belief in the Faith can dismantle the blather coming out of Rome in three minutes. Problem is only a few can/will actually appreciate what he said. Regardless, Cardinal Zen was clearly the "smartest guy in the room". With priest. bishops, and Cardinals like him...we (meaning the Church) will ultimately win. Pax
Zen should have kept talking after his 3 minutes were up. Make them cut off his microphone like they did to Ottaviani at Vatican II. Then walk out.....bodily and spiritually. Make a mess........just like Jorge the Heretic encouraged the young folks to do.
The “Small Group” deliberation format on display at this consistory has a history dating back to the 1950s with a spooky Stanford think tank. It’s a proven method of stealthily inserting pre-determined policies and decisions into the faux deliberative body while giving the appearance of democratic process. If you worked a corporate job or (ugh) attended a “Parish Renewal” gathering, you’ve likely been fodder for one of these travesties. [Keyword: “Delphi Method”]
Leo's speeches reveal the implausibly deniable co-opting of the Conciliar Church into Freemasonry and its principles of a borderless brotherhood of man ruled by naturalist and rationalist principles under a pantheistic canopy. He might, at best, be under the same spell of naive optimism that led many post WWII clerics to fall for trying to fashion a peaceful world under a hoped for voluntary worldwide acceptance of Catholic principles in a competition of ideas, under the banner of the French Revolution and promoted by John Courtney Murray, coupled with papal abdication to the NWO via reliance on the masonic U.N., which gives you the groundwork to understand everything he says. Leo, even when speaking against abortion, can not make himself mention judgment or hell, perhaps because he has swallowed the theology that sin is only an absence of love without any eternal consequences, not an affront to God with its only reparation being through His Sacrifice. The more I see this, the more baffling it is how anyone can claim that this is Catholicism. Poor Mr. Jackson, the strain of having to present this stuff.
I am not a climate change freak, but all the CO² generated by the Extraodinary Consistory surely cannot justify the hot air emitted in return? Thank God for Cdl. Zen and his straight talking. He may be joining Burke and Sarah on the sidelines for the next one.
Leo is a sad, out-of-touch excuse for a religious leader. Just as wokery & bourgeois communism reaches its sell-by date & the wheels start falling off the wagon, he jumps on.
The notion that the Vatican II Church is “united in faith” is literally insane. The reality is this, the Church of Human Fraternity is no more or less united than any Protestant denomination and there is plenty of evidence of this, liturgy wars in the US, Germany going AWOL, etc etc. It will continue to fracture and fragment. As to Leo’s globalism….well he speaks with his masters voice…just a shame that master is not Our Lord Jesus Christ.
His Augustine sprinkles while a nice touch were not woven into any theological significance to the rest of his rhetoric. A rhetoric style I call one of vagueness. Francis did it naturally, not the sharpest pencil. Leo does it cunningly.
Putting aside the oratorical irony of twisting language while decrying the twisting of language… one would think that Leo would grasp the single most misunderstood and historically devastating phrase of Vatican II was “freedom of conscience”. There is no freedom of conscience that decides things properly via “human conscience”, for man’s conscience is the voice of God. (St. John Henry Newman, Doctor of the Church). And every decision of one’s conscience must begin and end with the moral precepts given to us by our Lord. Written in our very hearts.
Not subjective decisions of man (Aquinas).
“The Word of God is a light for our path. We must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. This is how moral conscience is formed.” (CCC 1802)this Pope is a peril to Catholicism. A dangerous Pharisee with a higher intellect than Francis, and a stronger determination to finish the Vatican II tearing apart of all that we, for 1900+ years, have held Sacred. Many, many prayers are needed for God to help us endure, as we wait for the restoration of His true Holy Church here on earth.
Feser is clueless: https://x.com/feseredward/status/2009714401834566022?s=46&t=R4xyMNVYgeB6hu6jyd3HHA
How many mRNA boosters did the esteemed Mr Feser get? His mind is quite deficient with this Kool-Aid take.
It's possible that a lot of people in the Church and Catholic Media are suffering from the same problem!! To add to their prior cognitive problems.
Has Mr. Feser noticed that the words Leo uses "language is becoming more and more a weapon with which to deceive" applies to the Vatican's current administration?
Feser writes, "...a diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force… "
Sure, when Maduro overthrows the election against him and decides to stay in power, we should just dialogue and seek consensus with him. That sure wasn't much help to the oppressed and impoverished Venezuelan people, was it.
Evil usually has to be resisted with force, not dialogue. When you need the police, you better hope they show up with guns on their hips.
There is something wrong with Feser lately. Dont know why. He always had a brain, now I dont know where it is.
It's being suppressed by his terminal case of TDS. It has been difficult to watch, I once held him in the highest regard.
i read a synopsis of Leo's aka Robert Prevost's opening remarks, and the first thought that came to mind was: CONTROL. Control the faithful, control the Church, but in a modernistic progressive way, so minds will be changed, attitudes and hearts will be changed from the Truth, to a touchy feely faith, that accepts all and not the guidelines so to speak, given to us to lead our lives in this new Synodal NuChurch of Jorge Bergoglio.
A Church that has no restraints, no following the rules, all is possible without the Cross of Jesus Christ, no consequences of sin. unity with all regardless of faith, acceptances as one is, not requiring any change in one's lives. Accepting all in their sin, as Jorge said, all will go to heaven.
First - excellent post...Second - interesting how a Cardinal who has a firm grasp/belief in the Faith can dismantle the blather coming out of Rome in three minutes. Problem is only a few can/will actually appreciate what he said. Regardless, Cardinal Zen was clearly the "smartest guy in the room". With priest. bishops, and Cardinals like him...we (meaning the Church) will ultimately win. Pax
Keep kicking the satanic snakes, (ironically meeting in the 'snake room') in the shorts Chris!
Zen should have kept talking after his 3 minutes were up. Make them cut off his microphone like they did to Ottaviani at Vatican II. Then walk out.....bodily and spiritually. Make a mess........just like Jorge the Heretic encouraged the young folks to do.
The “Small Group” deliberation format on display at this consistory has a history dating back to the 1950s with a spooky Stanford think tank. It’s a proven method of stealthily inserting pre-determined policies and decisions into the faux deliberative body while giving the appearance of democratic process. If you worked a corporate job or (ugh) attended a “Parish Renewal” gathering, you’ve likely been fodder for one of these travesties. [Keyword: “Delphi Method”]
Leo's speeches reveal the implausibly deniable co-opting of the Conciliar Church into Freemasonry and its principles of a borderless brotherhood of man ruled by naturalist and rationalist principles under a pantheistic canopy. He might, at best, be under the same spell of naive optimism that led many post WWII clerics to fall for trying to fashion a peaceful world under a hoped for voluntary worldwide acceptance of Catholic principles in a competition of ideas, under the banner of the French Revolution and promoted by John Courtney Murray, coupled with papal abdication to the NWO via reliance on the masonic U.N., which gives you the groundwork to understand everything he says. Leo, even when speaking against abortion, can not make himself mention judgment or hell, perhaps because he has swallowed the theology that sin is only an absence of love without any eternal consequences, not an affront to God with its only reparation being through His Sacrifice. The more I see this, the more baffling it is how anyone can claim that this is Catholicism. Poor Mr. Jackson, the strain of having to present this stuff.
I am not a climate change freak, but all the CO² generated by the Extraodinary Consistory surely cannot justify the hot air emitted in return? Thank God for Cdl. Zen and his straight talking. He may be joining Burke and Sarah on the sidelines for the next one.
Leo is a sad, out-of-touch excuse for a religious leader. Just as wokery & bourgeois communism reaches its sell-by date & the wheels start falling off the wagon, he jumps on.
The notion that the Vatican II Church is “united in faith” is literally insane. The reality is this, the Church of Human Fraternity is no more or less united than any Protestant denomination and there is plenty of evidence of this, liturgy wars in the US, Germany going AWOL, etc etc. It will continue to fracture and fragment. As to Leo’s globalism….well he speaks with his masters voice…just a shame that master is not Our Lord Jesus Christ.
His Augustine sprinkles while a nice touch were not woven into any theological significance to the rest of his rhetoric. A rhetoric style I call one of vagueness. Francis did it naturally, not the sharpest pencil. Leo does it cunningly.
Putting aside the oratorical irony of twisting language while decrying the twisting of language… one would think that Leo would grasp the single most misunderstood and historically devastating phrase of Vatican II was “freedom of conscience”. There is no freedom of conscience that decides things properly via “human conscience”, for man’s conscience is the voice of God. (St. John Henry Newman, Doctor of the Church). And every decision of one’s conscience must begin and end with the moral precepts given to us by our Lord. Written in our very hearts.
Not subjective decisions of man (Aquinas).
“The Word of God is a light for our path. We must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. This is how moral conscience is formed.” (CCC 1802)this Pope is a peril to Catholicism. A dangerous Pharisee with a higher intellect than Francis, and a stronger determination to finish the Vatican II tearing apart of all that we, for 1900+ years, have held Sacred. Many, many prayers are needed for God to help us endure, as we wait for the restoration of His true Holy Church here on earth.
We have been so programmed!!! I don’t know but it seems to me that it’s totally by the grace of God that people are truly Catholic.
We must heed Blessed Mother’s directives to pray the rosary and pray pray pray.
I’m just so sorry that people I’ve trusted in the past can no longer be trusted.
Watch and pray…
Blessed be Jesus Whose mother is Mary, CoRedemptrix, Mediatrix of All Graces and Queen of all creatures!!!
🎄♥️🎄♥️🎄♥️🎄♥️🎄♥️🎄
Yes, pray without ceasing.
When the Church becomes detestable to the world once again, then I’ll know they have returned to the path it was called to.
Hypocritical of Bob-Golio to whine and moan about borders while his own Vatican State has the Leonine Walls.
Sounds like the Pope is getting his world view from the liberals in the states, George Orwell.
"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed [...] then the lie passed into history and became truth."
— George Orwell, 1984
I’m thrilled beyond belief that I’m not in unity with these heretics and apostates! I have goosebumps running down my back just knowing that!