In his first week, Pope Leo XIV declared Francis in Heaven and praised a universalist schismatic as a saint. Far from a restoration, this is a reinforcement with better vestments.
I'm glad I found someone else talking about the bombshell from Leo. I had suspected that he was a brilliant genius, perhaps a saint, who was using language to reverse to Marxist infiltration in the same way it happened, by ascribing a different meaning to words from what they intended, a more orthodox meaning, so as to unite the 2 sides of the Church and bring peace.
I see his statement about Francis as being imprudent presumption and also there are many effects from it, disharmony, distrust, fear. I wonder how the Chinese Catholics feel about Francis being in heaven?
He didn't answer the dubia or claims he didn't believe in hell or whatever, he caused confusion, he made a mess.
It was disappointing to realise a different man to the one I had imagined. It was the perfect opportunity to get things back on track.
What does the Church teach about canonisation as an infallible act?
Thanks for this thoughtful comment. I completely understand the initial hope. Many of us wanted Leo to be a kind of genius restorer using symbolism to undo confusion. But as you said, declaring Francis “in heaven” without any explanation wasn’t peace, it was presumption. For those hurt or scandalized by his papacy, it felt like erasure.
On canonization: most theologians have held that formal canonizations are infallible, but that assumes a valid pontificate and proper process. When canonization is politicized, its credibility, and the faithful’s trust, erodes. You’re asking the right questions. That’s where real clarity begins.
It was interesting to note how Leo said critical thinking is so important, then a few days later said about accepting the office with fear and trembling and then he went ahead and said something that many Catholics around the world will now feel free to say and they will say "but Pope Leo said we can say that now"...
I have a sister in the Missionaries of Charity to was referring to Dad as "having his first Christmas and Easter in heaven, how we are all united now Dad's there" and so on. I spoke with her and she agreed that it wasn't prudent but she has been in charge of many sisters for a long time.
Then I have a brother a priest and he also alluded to Dad being in heaven. Today he admitted it is not the right thing to say so I'm glad about that, the discussion with either of them is strained. I imagine if they were to design a profile picture for me it would be me as Spock with a judge's wig on.
Many people hear doctrine and the writings of saints and popes and they see it as legalistic because a doctrinal approach has been made "judgemental". People are moved more by the passions than by truth, goodness and beauty. But these 3 are so interesting.
It is important not to canonize them yet because they need our prayers! Many assume their loved ones are in Heaven and forget to pray which can help them in purgatory. You were doing an act of charity.
It was quite a short honeymoon. I wonder how the enthusiasts will spin LXIV’s inaugural address, which could have been delivered by any liberal Protestant bishop anywhere at any time.
I'm glad I found someone else talking about the bombshell from Leo. I had suspected that he was a brilliant genius, perhaps a saint, who was using language to reverse to Marxist infiltration in the same way it happened, by ascribing a different meaning to words from what they intended, a more orthodox meaning, so as to unite the 2 sides of the Church and bring peace.
I see his statement about Francis as being imprudent presumption and also there are many effects from it, disharmony, distrust, fear. I wonder how the Chinese Catholics feel about Francis being in heaven?
He didn't answer the dubia or claims he didn't believe in hell or whatever, he caused confusion, he made a mess.
It was disappointing to realise a different man to the one I had imagined. It was the perfect opportunity to get things back on track.
What does the Church teach about canonisation as an infallible act?
Thanks for this thoughtful comment. I completely understand the initial hope. Many of us wanted Leo to be a kind of genius restorer using symbolism to undo confusion. But as you said, declaring Francis “in heaven” without any explanation wasn’t peace, it was presumption. For those hurt or scandalized by his papacy, it felt like erasure.
On canonization: most theologians have held that formal canonizations are infallible, but that assumes a valid pontificate and proper process. When canonization is politicized, its credibility, and the faithful’s trust, erodes. You’re asking the right questions. That’s where real clarity begins.
It was interesting to note how Leo said critical thinking is so important, then a few days later said about accepting the office with fear and trembling and then he went ahead and said something that many Catholics around the world will now feel free to say and they will say "but Pope Leo said we can say that now"...
I have a sister in the Missionaries of Charity to was referring to Dad as "having his first Christmas and Easter in heaven, how we are all united now Dad's there" and so on. I spoke with her and she agreed that it wasn't prudent but she has been in charge of many sisters for a long time.
Then I have a brother a priest and he also alluded to Dad being in heaven. Today he admitted it is not the right thing to say so I'm glad about that, the discussion with either of them is strained. I imagine if they were to design a profile picture for me it would be me as Spock with a judge's wig on.
Many people hear doctrine and the writings of saints and popes and they see it as legalistic because a doctrinal approach has been made "judgemental". People are moved more by the passions than by truth, goodness and beauty. But these 3 are so interesting.
It is important not to canonize them yet because they need our prayers! Many assume their loved ones are in Heaven and forget to pray which can help them in purgatory. You were doing an act of charity.
The Gregorian Set comes with great promise that can be faithfully believed.
It was quite a short honeymoon. I wonder how the enthusiasts will spin LXIV’s inaugural address, which could have been delivered by any liberal Protestant bishop anywhere at any time.
Do you (really) believe that Francis is in Heaven???
Far from it!
Do you (really) believe that Francis is in Heaven???
Far from it!
Who was it that canonized (saint) Isaac of Ninevah? And why should we think that matters one hoot?