When the Latin Mass Is Compared to a Sexy Woman

Matt Fradd, Alex “Voice of Reason” Jurado, and the Collapse of Novus Ordo Apologetics

The recent interview between Matt Fradd and Alex “Voice of Reason” Jurado is a time capsule of everything broken in modern Catholic media. It was a masterclass in modernist self-parody. Jurado and Fradd present themselves as masculine restorers of faith, but the content reveals a spirituality of sentiment, marketing, and meme theology. When Catholicism is reduced to cigar banter and Vatican II loyalty pledges, something is terribly wrong.

The Cigar-and-Conversion Industrial Complex

Throughout the interview, both men casually puff cigars while swapping gifts, compliments, and stories of who influenced whom. The cigar-smoking framed the whole discussion in a tone of smug, performative masculinity; trying to look like Chesterton while talking like a TikTok convert. If anything, the interview showcased the collapse of reverence, gravity, and theological precision that traditionalists used to champion.

What we see is the same brand of masculine performance art that has replaced real Catholic asceticism with bourbon, beards, and Benedict Option merch. Chesterton and Tolkien are name-dropped as lifestyle brands. “Trad” means rugged, ironic, and online; not penitential, sacrificial, and faithful. While real priests are canceled for facing east at the altar, these men face the camera with smug grins, cigars in hand, offering postures of resistance to a Church they are still desperate to be validated by.

Evangelical Sentimentality in Liturgical Drag

The most disturbing motif throughout this episode is its utter unseriousness. Whether Jurado is casually skipping his court date to film content or joking about being the next pope who excommunicates everyone who won’t affirm Vatican II, what we’re seeing is performance. Instead of Catholicism being treated as a revealed religion with eternal consequences, it is portrayed as a branding platform for the hustle-minded.

A man who refers to himself as "Voice Face Killer" while smirking through Catholic doctrine should not be taken seriously as a representative of sacred tradition. The over-familiarity, the self-promotion, the faux humility cloaked in podcast banter; this is not how the saints acted. It is not how the Church taught her doctors to teach. It is Protestant YouTube theology with incense and Instagram reels.

The Rosary as Aesthetic Therapy

Their discussion of the rosary is perhaps the most telling. The rosary, which Our Lady of Fatima explicitly tied to the salvation of souls and the conversion of sinners, is reduced to an object of emotional resonance or nostalgic comfort. Jurado shares how he doesn’t pray it daily and feels no shame about that because, after all, some enthusiastic converts are now "more Catholic than him."

But instead of asking what this says about his own priorities, he folds the moment into a pious-sounding humility: "I guess this is what I pray for in the Litany of Humility!" This is precisely how tepidity gets spiritualized, by turning one’s own failings into a humblebrag about growth.

And Fradd doesn’t challenge this. He affirms it.

Vatican II Loyalty as Entry Fee

Jurado’s imagined papacy, which Fradd entertains far too credulously, is a grotesque parody of Catholic restoration. Jurado’s mock-papacy fantasy ends in familiar terms: anyone who won’t affirm the validity of Vatican II and the post-conciliar popes would be barred from Catholic media platforms. Content creators would be required to swear to the Council like an oath of allegiance. The Mass wars would end not by restoring tradition, but by incorporating the Novus Ordo calendar and lectionary into the TLM; effectively remaking the Latin Mass in the image of the new.

It’s clear where the loyalties lie. This entire ecosystem depends on remaining in good standing with a Church establishment that detests tradition, mocks piety, and persecutes reverent worship. But for Fradd, Jurado, and their ilk, the goal is always peace. Not the peace of Christ. The peace of algorithmic monetization.

When the Latin Mass Becomes Eroticism

The most telling moment wasn’t the endless praise of Bishop Barron or the extended cigar-smoking banter. It came when Jurado, seeking to critique online trads for liturgical discontent, blasphemously compared the Latin Mass to a “sexy woman on Instagram.”

The analogy, offered without a blink of hesitation, ran something like this: discontented trads scrolling social media for “better” liturgies are like married men looking at sexier women than their wives online. The solution, Fradd and Jurado imply, is to stop coveting and start loving the Mass you’re stuck with: namely, the Novus Ordo.

This isn’t just a bad analogy. It reveals something disturbingly inverted at the root of modern Catholic apologetics. You don’t compare the Mass, a reenactment of Calvary, the unbloody Sacrifice, the worship offered by Christ to the Father, to a woman’s body, let alone a sexualized object of male fantasy. To do so is not only theologically incoherent but reveals a mindset where sacred things are no longer treated as sacred, only “desirable,” “appealing,” or “emotionally fulfilling.” It collapses the liturgical crisis into consumer desire, and then shames that desire by sexualizing it.

They Flee to the Mistress

But here’s the twist: although Fradd and Jurado say to stop coveting and start loving the Novus Ordo Mass you’re stuck with, they didn’t do that. Both men abandoned the “homely wife” of the local Novus Ordo and ran off with the “sexy woman;” not the Latin Mass, but the Eastern Divine Liturgy. Fradd has publicly praised its reverence in contrast to the irreverent Novus Ordo Masses he witnessed and opted for it rather than the Novus Ordo when he lived in Georgia. Jurado likewise fled the Novus Ordo and now treats his Eastern parish as spiritual home base, making only occasional appearances in Roman-rite contexts. In other words, they’re telling the rest of us to stay faithful to a liturgy they themselves abandoned.

This is the spiritual equivalent of a man lecturing others on marital fidelity while posting vacation photos with his new girlfriend. The hypocrisy is astonishing. And it proves that their sexy-woman metaphor was more revealing than they realized. In their own analogy, they’re the ones who ran off with the mistress, while shaming others who even look at her.

The Latin Mass is not some fantasy mistress. It is the worship of God according to the rite hallowed by centuries of saints and martyrs. That Jurado and Fradd found this comparison clever says everything about their apologetic posture: sacrilege dressed up as self-help.

The Eastern Catholic Cover Story

Jurado’s entire pivot to Eastern Catholicism deserves more scrutiny than it gets. He admits it was accidental (he stumbled into a Byzantine parish during COVID lockdowns) but has since used this affiliation as a rhetorical shield against criticisms from the Latin Rite faithful.

Eastern Catholicism becomes, in his narrative, a way to dodge the liturgy wars while quietly abandoning the devotions and theological clarity of the Roman tradition. He admits to rarely praying the rosary and even praises his Oriental Orthodox friend’s conversion as mediated through Eastern aesthetics rather than doctrinal conviction. No critique is offered of the errors still held by the Armenian Apostolic Church or the dangers of a sacramental life divorced from Roman discipline.

The Problem with Catholic Celebrity Culture

Much of the episode is an exercise in mutual flattery. Jurado praises Fradd. Fradd gives Jurado a designer rosary. Jurado gifts Fradd an icon of Elijah. They tell stories about their favorite Catholic apologists, most of whom have built careers off the apologetics-industrial complex without ever challenging the modernist assumptions embedded in Vatican II.

Jurado says his biggest inspirations are Matt Fradd, Michael Lofton, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Akin. These are the gatekeepers of a tame, self-congratulatory Catholicism that defends the indefensible and calls it faithfulness.

Even when Fradd and Jurado acknowledge that most Catholics are falling away, that the Novus Ordo is irreverent, and that the laity are poorly formed, their solution is not a doctrinal reckoning but better content. More podcasts. More merch. More money.

Conclusion: The Counterfeit Restoration

This conversation was not a sign of Catholic renewal. It was a glimpse into the future of officially sanctioned “tradition,” soft, sentimental, and Vatican II-compliant. A religion of feelings and views, of cigars and algorithms, of sexy metaphors and sentimental mysticism.

This is not the restoration of the Church, but the branding of its ruins.

This interview should be a wake-up call to those who still think the future of the Church is in safe hands because a few articulate Catholic men with large followings know how to talk theology into a microphone.

No. The future is being buried under incense-scented relativism and cigar-lit mediocrity.

When the Latin Mass is compared to a sexy woman, when joking about excommunications gets more airtime than the nature of grace, when Vatican II is defended not through argument but podcast consensus, we are not watching the Church recover. We are watching it dissolve into parody.