I have ignored the grift of the social media "trad movement" for years. Unfortunately, we are outnumbered now and they have completely taken over the conversation even in real life in the Sunday social circles.
It's nice to know there are serious Catholics around still who are tuned in to the very real work of Catholic restoration. Thank you for holding the line.
We are in dire need of Catholic teachers teaching orthodox theology, philosophy, and spirituality.
It's good to have Chris Jackson as a sobering voice reason in this moment of confusion. It's interesting to see this shift happening in traditional circles and I must admit, it's tempting to want to put your gaurd down and rejoice in a new Pope thats looking and saying Catholic things.My suspicion, is that this was the plan from the beginning. To have a Pope so outrageous like Francis that when he's finally gone, people will rejoice that the veneer of Catholicity returning, will nullify alot of the resistance to the doctrinal attacks that have been left like trojan horses in this post Francis synodality wasteland. I do sincerely hope Pope Leo turns out to be good but I suspect that will only happen under absolute servere persecution that I think is coming. Watch and 🙏.
Maybe, just maybe, Jesus is in control of His Church and we should trust in Him, and be obedient to the leaders He has allowed to accede for His own inscrutable purpose. St. Pio said, "Pray, hope, and don't worry". Let us keep our eyes on Christ. “My son, if you come forward to serve the Lord, remain in justice and in fear, and prepare yourself for temptation. Set your heart right and be steadfast, incline your ear, and receive words of understanding, and do not be hasty in time of calamity. Await God’s patience, cling to him and do not depart, that you may be wise in all your ways. Accept whatever is brought upon you, and endure it in sorrow; in changes that humble you be patient. For gold and silver are tested in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of humiliation. Trust in God, and he will help you; hope in him, and he will make your ways straight. Stay in fear of him, and grow old in him.” (Sirach 2:1–6)
I am reminded of all the Saints who suffered under malignant clerics but obeyed nonetheless, and were ultimately vindicated. Let us imitate them. “More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” (Romans 5:3–5)
In any case, I intend to focus on rectifying my own sins and cultivating my own relationship with God and my own virtues. Our vocation is holiness; let us pursue it zealously.
And how is questioning an open heresy and open heretics, discerning false teachings, as Our Lord commanded and St. Paul admonished us to do, how is this not trusting Our Lord?
I believe you are confusing two things, accepting suffering and obeying manifest evil. Besides, it is a form of bearing with evil to speak the truth regardless of consequences.
The post I responded to expressed the fear that there was an overarching "plan" to install Pope Francis as a radical to pave the way for a more subtle perverter of the faith who will have an easier time because he looks comparatively tame. I saw no hope expressed in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the indefectibility of his Bride the Church, no call to holiness, just a paranoid fear that this "plan" would prevail over Christ and His Church, a fear which is of the Devil.
I don't really see a link between questioning open heretics and discerning false teachings and trusting in the Lord, but that is neither here nor there, since I said nothing about not discerning false teachings or questioning heretics. I said we should obey them. If Our Lord told his disciples to obey the Scribes and Pharisees (Mt 23:2-3) and St. Paul told us to obey the Emperor (1 Pet 2:13), how much more should we obey our hierarchs? Or do we arrogate to ourselves the right to judge and depose them in our own minds and render ourselves free from obedience?
Can you explain for me, though, which "manifest evil" you are being commanded to "obey", and please don't tell me that it is manifestly evil to celebrate the Mass of St. John Paul II instead of the vetus ordo?
I said nothing about not bearing witness to the truth; I simply said we should obey the authorities God has put in place (1 Pet 2:13) and trust in Jesus.
The difference between scribes and pharisees sitting on the chair of Moses, I believe, is precisely that they were lawful authorities of Jews of Israel at that time. In no way did God promise unfailing faith to them.
Our Lord did promise this to His Body that is the Church, and successors of Peter, however. And it is wrong to believe He would lie or that Church is not indefectible. That would amount to questioning His Truthfulness.
It is not fear nor hopelesness to say that popes since Paul VI have defected from the faith. This does not call Our Lord's or the Church's teachings into question. Our Lord did not promise that popes couldn't become heretics, they have a free will. If they lose the faith they fall from the office, and if they never had it when elected, the whole and entire faith, they never had the office in the first place.
But lawful authority of the Church, according to dogma of the Church, is indefectible. It cannot give evil laws or teachings. Yet this is exactly what current "popes" have done.
Mass of Paul VI certainly is evil law in the sense that we have a duty to worship God properly. Not giving proper worship is evil, and the new mass has many utterly false justifications behind its radical changes.
It's not the only example of course. Maybe Bergoglios Amoris Laetitia, giving permission for communion to divorced and remarried, thus breaking the 6th commandment, is a recent example.
OK @Saintposting sinner, I have a question for you: if all "popes since Paul VI" have defected from the faith, and hence "fallen from office", and the See has been vacant since John XXIII (or Pius XII), how do you propose a new, legitimate pope would be elected, since all the cardinals (and likely all the bishops) of that reign have reposed in the Lord, and there is no legitimate college of cardinals to elect a pope?
As a convert from Fundamentalism 25 years ago, perhaps I have a different perspective.
I joined the Church because, "reading church history, one ceases to be a Protestant", as Newman famously said. Coming from the insane world of Protestantism with it's 40,000 denominations, I was to caught up in the buzz, following the latest wave of folks roaming from one church to another to "get fed" as we called it. Many of the church "plantings" are in fact splits, due to ego.
I know the Catholic Church is the one true, apostolic and historical, real deal. I therefore, cling to the bark of Peter. I ignore the politics, the personalities and especially the social media "playa's" because they are often concerned with building an audience and getting clicks.
I am not a theologian and neither are the vast majority of the poor souls in this valley of tears. I can still be holy regardless of the current pontiff and my focus is on becoming the best version of myself, which of course, is a Saint. Prayer, faster, reflection and reading. Being the best husband, father and spouse. That is my concern.
I spent 20 years roaming churches, throwing rocks and playing amateur theologian as my own pope. It's exhausting, don't do it.
Hi Chris, you wrote and I agree that it's smoke and mirrors, theatre, "A pope who wears lace and speaks reverently . . . " is a magician's trick. Our Controllers are magicians.
Pray for a miracle from Heaven.
Welcome to Substack fellow Trad! And just what is a "hireath?" Cheers!
Hiraeth is a Welsh word that expresses a deep, aching longing for a home that no longer exists. It is not just nostalgia, but a spiritual homesickness for a place, time, or order that has been lost.
For me, hiraeth captures the sorrowful yearning for the visible Church as it once was: ordered, holy, apostolic, and undivided. It names the ache of exile in a time of rupture and confusion.
A careful reading of the New Testament as well as the writings of the early fathers gives ample evidence that there never was a time when the fellowship of all believers was in joyful unanimous harmony.
That is a pious illusion. We have always had our Judas-like and Thomas-like brothers and sisters, our James+John folk seeking and wanting the top positions and our Ananias/Sapphira folk faking piety and total commitment.
The social pressure to be positive is strong when all your friends are talking that way. Perhaps I'm merely thinking this way because I'm under this social pressure, but the details that are at least portrayed of what Pope Leo has done so far seem positive.
I do dislike the false glorification of Pope Leo as some "super based secret rad-trad", though. Dishonestly pretending he's something other than what he is will lead to a bunch of deflated bubbles amidst those who've been pushing the most extreme narratives the minute they can't hold their image together anymore.
Lets also not forget that he was elected by an illegal conclave that contained 133 Cardinals, 13 more than the maximum of 120 allowed by Universi Dominici Gregis. But nobody was allowed to say anyrhing about that either...
Except here we have it written in plain language, black letter law as it were, promulgated in 1996 (not 1546) by a pope they all claim to admire. If they can't even follow that law...
Jesus has told you, "the law brings death, the Spirit life"
As the population of the earth exceeds 8 billions and the number of cardinals increases in proportion, of course the number of eligible voters in the conclaves will vary. In these days, many more people live into their eighties and older but not necessarily healthy enough in mind and body to fulfil the duties of the office. It is new that there is an age limit, I disagree with it, but on balance it seems prudent. Also recall that the conclave can elect ANY baptised man should that be how the Holy Spirit guides them.
Except this law governing the Conclave was promulgated in 1996. So this is not some long forgotten bull from the 1500s. It is a very modern law that was promulgated after the Berlin Wall fell for crying out loud. And it says absolutely no more than 120. We don’t get to pick and choose which laws we are going to follow. This is the law and it was binding on them. And they knew it. And they chose not to follow it. They are lawless men.
Universi Dominici Gregis is the ecclesiastical law that governs the sede vacante and the conclave. They were bound to follow it and they refused to do so. That is called a crime.
Listen nobody's gonna stop these guys. There is no police power to punish them for what they did. The only thing that might is public opinion but the Catholic media is bought and paid for and totally in the bag so that's unlikely to happen. So this round goes to the criminal cardinals who have illegaly elected this pope.
Agreed, especially now that Leo has assigned Bergoglian pectoral cross wearing Synodalist Modernists to key positions and put elderly lesbians in charge of monks. It's business as usual.
I hope it is that we are cautiously optimistic and can indulge some wishful thinking while it lasts. Setting the narrative early helps, as it makes it harder for progressives in Rome to appear opposed to TLM. What goes on behind the scenes, we do not know. There is a lot of corruption to clean out. The media have picked up on the Pope’s past decision making regarding an abusive priest in Chicago. These are early days and perhaps in the spirit of the Francis era we should go on assuming if we want to keep the Faith for ourselves, our children and the world, it’s up to us as well.
Thank you for saying what anyone with integrity already knew, but nobody would say. Never trust Professional Catholics, if your pay checked is tied to an online presence you are not to be trusted.
It is not just the grifters. I write The Okie Traditionalist which is not monetized. I immediately had both reserve and cautious optimism once I found out who Provost is. If you look at online Catholic discussion groups, and Facebook groups like SSPX Faithful, the general response has been cautious optimism. Especially because of Provost’s character and temperament. He is not a leftist and will bring a certain degree of relief after the Francis pontificate.
It’s the prevailing response of trads so far. Hard to say, but Trad Inc. came into being largely in response to Francis. I think people are tired of the internet obsession with what’s happening minute by minute by the pope and Vatican. I expect this pope will eventually cause Trad Inc. to have to focus on something else or get real jobs. Peter K is right this hyoerpapalism needs to end, not just worshiping the pope, but hyper focus on everything coming from a questionable pope. This is why I think there needs to be a moratorium on people following Trad Inc.
I would love to forget about the pope. Unfortunately because the papacy during the last two hundred years assumed to itself an inordinate amount of power and because of the effect that the slightest utterance of the pope has on the whole Church due to the instant global hyper mass communication environment which didn't exist even as recently as JP2 and was only barely coming into being under Benedict this is something that can't just be ignored.
Read his homily from yesterday. He is Francis II all the way. He's from Chicago so he's probably smart enough to know he's got to throw a couple of bones to mollify Trad Inc. Maybe he won't use the word 'rigid' so much which bizarrely is the thing that seemed to bother them most about Francis. But seriously these people are bought and paid for by somebody to create 'conventional wisdom' in tradworld and that's what they're doing.
Exactly. I know there is a history with that word but most of the people whining about it on social media weren't even born then. That's why their (over)reaction to me always felt completely contrived.
The fact is, all of them needed to bash the Pope, no matter who it was. Once Taylor Marshall rebranded himself and became a daily, let's hate Pope Francis. He profited, well. He got almost he gained Millions of views, multiple books, celebrity status, and other gifters like Avoiding Babylon, John Henery, and the Master Gifriter Kennedy Hall came in. A good Pope comes in, there money goes away. They had no choice but to go negative because there would be know "give me money to save the Latin Mass" gift would be over. By the way, these were the men that kept Poking at the Pope, the boss, the Rock. What boss would just sit there an take it, they provoked Pope Francis, in my opinion.
The beauty and simplicity of not following influencers is that you get to pray, pay attention to what someone is actually saying, and make up your own mind. In peace. Without the noise of the grackles getting paid for each view.
I have ignored the grift of the social media "trad movement" for years. Unfortunately, we are outnumbered now and they have completely taken over the conversation even in real life in the Sunday social circles.
It's nice to know there are serious Catholics around still who are tuned in to the very real work of Catholic restoration. Thank you for holding the line.
We are in dire need of Catholic teachers teaching orthodox theology, philosophy, and spirituality.
We are in dire need of men to join #WTPP for serious Catholic Action.
The Crusaders, and Vendeans, and Cristeros knew what needed to be done.
It's good to have Chris Jackson as a sobering voice reason in this moment of confusion. It's interesting to see this shift happening in traditional circles and I must admit, it's tempting to want to put your gaurd down and rejoice in a new Pope thats looking and saying Catholic things.My suspicion, is that this was the plan from the beginning. To have a Pope so outrageous like Francis that when he's finally gone, people will rejoice that the veneer of Catholicity returning, will nullify alot of the resistance to the doctrinal attacks that have been left like trojan horses in this post Francis synodality wasteland. I do sincerely hope Pope Leo turns out to be good but I suspect that will only happen under absolute servere persecution that I think is coming. Watch and 🙏.
Maybe, just maybe, Jesus is in control of His Church and we should trust in Him, and be obedient to the leaders He has allowed to accede for His own inscrutable purpose. St. Pio said, "Pray, hope, and don't worry". Let us keep our eyes on Christ. “My son, if you come forward to serve the Lord, remain in justice and in fear, and prepare yourself for temptation. Set your heart right and be steadfast, incline your ear, and receive words of understanding, and do not be hasty in time of calamity. Await God’s patience, cling to him and do not depart, that you may be wise in all your ways. Accept whatever is brought upon you, and endure it in sorrow; in changes that humble you be patient. For gold and silver are tested in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of humiliation. Trust in God, and he will help you; hope in him, and he will make your ways straight. Stay in fear of him, and grow old in him.” (Sirach 2:1–6)
I am reminded of all the Saints who suffered under malignant clerics but obeyed nonetheless, and were ultimately vindicated. Let us imitate them. “More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” (Romans 5:3–5)
In any case, I intend to focus on rectifying my own sins and cultivating my own relationship with God and my own virtues. Our vocation is holiness; let us pursue it zealously.
And how is questioning an open heresy and open heretics, discerning false teachings, as Our Lord commanded and St. Paul admonished us to do, how is this not trusting Our Lord?
I believe you are confusing two things, accepting suffering and obeying manifest evil. Besides, it is a form of bearing with evil to speak the truth regardless of consequences.
The post I responded to expressed the fear that there was an overarching "plan" to install Pope Francis as a radical to pave the way for a more subtle perverter of the faith who will have an easier time because he looks comparatively tame. I saw no hope expressed in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the indefectibility of his Bride the Church, no call to holiness, just a paranoid fear that this "plan" would prevail over Christ and His Church, a fear which is of the Devil.
I don't really see a link between questioning open heretics and discerning false teachings and trusting in the Lord, but that is neither here nor there, since I said nothing about not discerning false teachings or questioning heretics. I said we should obey them. If Our Lord told his disciples to obey the Scribes and Pharisees (Mt 23:2-3) and St. Paul told us to obey the Emperor (1 Pet 2:13), how much more should we obey our hierarchs? Or do we arrogate to ourselves the right to judge and depose them in our own minds and render ourselves free from obedience?
Can you explain for me, though, which "manifest evil" you are being commanded to "obey", and please don't tell me that it is manifestly evil to celebrate the Mass of St. John Paul II instead of the vetus ordo?
I said nothing about not bearing witness to the truth; I simply said we should obey the authorities God has put in place (1 Pet 2:13) and trust in Jesus.
The difference between scribes and pharisees sitting on the chair of Moses, I believe, is precisely that they were lawful authorities of Jews of Israel at that time. In no way did God promise unfailing faith to them.
Our Lord did promise this to His Body that is the Church, and successors of Peter, however. And it is wrong to believe He would lie or that Church is not indefectible. That would amount to questioning His Truthfulness.
It is not fear nor hopelesness to say that popes since Paul VI have defected from the faith. This does not call Our Lord's or the Church's teachings into question. Our Lord did not promise that popes couldn't become heretics, they have a free will. If they lose the faith they fall from the office, and if they never had it when elected, the whole and entire faith, they never had the office in the first place.
But lawful authority of the Church, according to dogma of the Church, is indefectible. It cannot give evil laws or teachings. Yet this is exactly what current "popes" have done.
Mass of Paul VI certainly is evil law in the sense that we have a duty to worship God properly. Not giving proper worship is evil, and the new mass has many utterly false justifications behind its radical changes.
It's not the only example of course. Maybe Bergoglios Amoris Laetitia, giving permission for communion to divorced and remarried, thus breaking the 6th commandment, is a recent example.
OK @Saintposting sinner, I have a question for you: if all "popes since Paul VI" have defected from the faith, and hence "fallen from office", and the See has been vacant since John XXIII (or Pius XII), how do you propose a new, legitimate pope would be elected, since all the cardinals (and likely all the bishops) of that reign have reposed in the Lord, and there is no legitimate college of cardinals to elect a pope?
Bingo!
As a convert from Fundamentalism 25 years ago, perhaps I have a different perspective.
I joined the Church because, "reading church history, one ceases to be a Protestant", as Newman famously said. Coming from the insane world of Protestantism with it's 40,000 denominations, I was to caught up in the buzz, following the latest wave of folks roaming from one church to another to "get fed" as we called it. Many of the church "plantings" are in fact splits, due to ego.
I know the Catholic Church is the one true, apostolic and historical, real deal. I therefore, cling to the bark of Peter. I ignore the politics, the personalities and especially the social media "playa's" because they are often concerned with building an audience and getting clicks.
I am not a theologian and neither are the vast majority of the poor souls in this valley of tears. I can still be holy regardless of the current pontiff and my focus is on becoming the best version of myself, which of course, is a Saint. Prayer, faster, reflection and reading. Being the best husband, father and spouse. That is my concern.
I spent 20 years roaming churches, throwing rocks and playing amateur theologian as my own pope. It's exhausting, don't do it.
Hi Chris, you wrote and I agree that it's smoke and mirrors, theatre, "A pope who wears lace and speaks reverently . . . " is a magician's trick. Our Controllers are magicians.
Pray for a miracle from Heaven.
Welcome to Substack fellow Trad! And just what is a "hireath?" Cheers!
Hiraeth is a Welsh word that expresses a deep, aching longing for a home that no longer exists. It is not just nostalgia, but a spiritual homesickness for a place, time, or order that has been lost.
For me, hiraeth captures the sorrowful yearning for the visible Church as it once was: ordered, holy, apostolic, and undivided. It names the ache of exile in a time of rupture and confusion.
What a perfect word!
Beautifully said.
A careful reading of the New Testament as well as the writings of the early fathers gives ample evidence that there never was a time when the fellowship of all believers was in joyful unanimous harmony.
That is a pious illusion. We have always had our Judas-like and Thomas-like brothers and sisters, our James+John folk seeking and wanting the top positions and our Ananias/Sapphira folk faking piety and total commitment.
When I say Our Controllers, I'm referring to the list of secret societies, e.g., the Illuminati, Masons, et al.
The social pressure to be positive is strong when all your friends are talking that way. Perhaps I'm merely thinking this way because I'm under this social pressure, but the details that are at least portrayed of what Pope Leo has done so far seem positive.
I do dislike the false glorification of Pope Leo as some "super based secret rad-trad", though. Dishonestly pretending he's something other than what he is will lead to a bunch of deflated bubbles amidst those who've been pushing the most extreme narratives the minute they can't hold their image together anymore.
Quite tired of the so called trad celebs, the bunch are grifters. Now seen joining substack too.
Noticed this too. Thanks for sharing
We in Rome love him already. It's not a small thing that 200,000 people show up to his mass to celebrate the eucharist.
Lets also not forget that he was elected by an illegal conclave that contained 133 Cardinals, 13 more than the maximum of 120 allowed by Universi Dominici Gregis. But nobody was allowed to say anyrhing about that either...
It was already broken from the traditional number of 70, so may as well break it again.
Except here we have it written in plain language, black letter law as it were, promulgated in 1996 (not 1546) by a pope they all claim to admire. If they can't even follow that law...
Jesus has told you, "the law brings death, the Spirit life"
As the population of the earth exceeds 8 billions and the number of cardinals increases in proportion, of course the number of eligible voters in the conclaves will vary. In these days, many more people live into their eighties and older but not necessarily healthy enough in mind and body to fulfil the duties of the office. It is new that there is an age limit, I disagree with it, but on balance it seems prudent. Also recall that the conclave can elect ANY baptised man should that be how the Holy Spirit guides them.
Except this law governing the Conclave was promulgated in 1996. So this is not some long forgotten bull from the 1500s. It is a very modern law that was promulgated after the Berlin Wall fell for crying out loud. And it says absolutely no more than 120. We don’t get to pick and choose which laws we are going to follow. This is the law and it was binding on them. And they knew it. And they chose not to follow it. They are lawless men.
Do you think that keeping the law gets you to heaven?
Which law? The law of the land? International law?
Law, or law, or rules or regulations or procedural guidelines or the way it was in your grandparents time?
Universi Dominici Gregis is the ecclesiastical law that governs the sede vacante and the conclave. They were bound to follow it and they refused to do so. That is called a crime.
Listen nobody's gonna stop these guys. There is no police power to punish them for what they did. The only thing that might is public opinion but the Catholic media is bought and paid for and totally in the bag so that's unlikely to happen. So this round goes to the criminal cardinals who have illegaly elected this pope.
Agreed, especially now that Leo has assigned Bergoglian pectoral cross wearing Synodalist Modernists to key positions and put elderly lesbians in charge of monks. It's business as usual.
I hope it is that we are cautiously optimistic and can indulge some wishful thinking while it lasts. Setting the narrative early helps, as it makes it harder for progressives in Rome to appear opposed to TLM. What goes on behind the scenes, we do not know. There is a lot of corruption to clean out. The media have picked up on the Pope’s past decision making regarding an abusive priest in Chicago. These are early days and perhaps in the spirit of the Francis era we should go on assuming if we want to keep the Faith for ourselves, our children and the world, it’s up to us as well.
Thank you for saying what anyone with integrity already knew, but nobody would say. Never trust Professional Catholics, if your pay checked is tied to an online presence you are not to be trusted.
Francis was to Trump as Leo is to Putin. Bombastic vs sober; scattered vs deliberate.
It is not just the grifters. I write The Okie Traditionalist which is not monetized. I immediately had both reserve and cautious optimism once I found out who Provost is. If you look at online Catholic discussion groups, and Facebook groups like SSPX Faithful, the general response has been cautious optimism. Especially because of Provost’s character and temperament. He is not a leftist and will bring a certain degree of relief after the Francis pontificate.
This is the prevailing Zeitgeist, and I’m sure you are sincere. But how many are simply taking the lead of Trad Inc. ?
It’s the prevailing response of trads so far. Hard to say, but Trad Inc. came into being largely in response to Francis. I think people are tired of the internet obsession with what’s happening minute by minute by the pope and Vatican. I expect this pope will eventually cause Trad Inc. to have to focus on something else or get real jobs. Peter K is right this hyoerpapalism needs to end, not just worshiping the pope, but hyper focus on everything coming from a questionable pope. This is why I think there needs to be a moratorium on people following Trad Inc.
I would love to forget about the pope. Unfortunately because the papacy during the last two hundred years assumed to itself an inordinate amount of power and because of the effect that the slightest utterance of the pope has on the whole Church due to the instant global hyper mass communication environment which didn't exist even as recently as JP2 and was only barely coming into being under Benedict this is something that can't just be ignored.
Read his homily from yesterday. He is Francis II all the way. He's from Chicago so he's probably smart enough to know he's got to throw a couple of bones to mollify Trad Inc. Maybe he won't use the word 'rigid' so much which bizarrely is the thing that seemed to bother them most about Francis. But seriously these people are bought and paid for by somebody to create 'conventional wisdom' in tradworld and that's what they're doing.
Exactly. I know there is a history with that word but most of the people whining about it on social media weren't even born then. That's why their (over)reaction to me always felt completely contrived.
The fact is, all of them needed to bash the Pope, no matter who it was. Once Taylor Marshall rebranded himself and became a daily, let's hate Pope Francis. He profited, well. He got almost he gained Millions of views, multiple books, celebrity status, and other gifters like Avoiding Babylon, John Henery, and the Master Gifriter Kennedy Hall came in. A good Pope comes in, there money goes away. They had no choice but to go negative because there would be know "give me money to save the Latin Mass" gift would be over. By the way, these were the men that kept Poking at the Pope, the boss, the Rock. What boss would just sit there an take it, they provoked Pope Francis, in my opinion.
The beauty and simplicity of not following influencers is that you get to pray, pay attention to what someone is actually saying, and make up your own mind. In peace. Without the noise of the grackles getting paid for each view.