Just confirming that I'm not 'liking' your assertion that you're an idiot!! I often think that most of us are suffering from a spiritual form of PTSD - I know I am!
“And if we discern a certain contradiction in his words and deeds, as well as those of the dicasteries, well, we must choose what was always taught and we turn a deaf ear to the novelties destroying the Church” (21st November 1974).
PPS Whether it was written here or elsewhere: the Vatican dared not contrive a Novus Ordo Divine Liturgy for the Byzantine and other Eastern Catholics for fear that they would simply migrate en masse to their Eastern Orthodox counterparts. As an ethnic Ukrainian, I can attest to that.
And nobody pestered the Anglican Ordinariate over their 500 year old liturgy, which is the closest thing to an English language TLM going in the Church now.
Interesting to note how some are trying to spin the Cupich elevation as a “soft” removal from his position of power in Chicago to a sinecure at the Vatican. Funny how they do the spin-doctoring, almost like a self-appointed Dicastery of the “Dissemination of What We Wish Were True.”
I believe Cupich is Leo’s Deep Church handler. The blind stupidity out of Rome, throwing gasoline on the Trad Cat fires, increases hyperbolically on a weekly basis since Leo’s appointment. They’re running out of their own feet to shoot. I think Cupich is being called to get things back under control.
It will be interesting to see how Cupich uses the new position: Will he make as many public swipes against the Faith? Or will he operate behind the scenes in even more nefarious ways??
I keep thinking as I continue research that this wholesale persecution of TLM Catholics is a giant house of cards resting largely on a false sense of obedience to an authority that isn't there:
-- not there bc the commands for TLM suppression are unjust, thus not valid;
-- not there bc the hierarchy from Prevost on down are largely heretics or apostates, thus not Catholic, so squatting on their positions;
-- not there bc of the at least doubtful nature of the Paul VI episcopal consecration rite of 1968, meaning most current Western bishops are at best mere priests, if that.
Wojtyla and Ratzinger institutionalized the principles of the so-called Second Vatican Council and made its heresies normative in the daily life of the Church. That was Part I of the Revolution. Part II is upon us: Prevost will institutionalize and make normative the Bergoglian Revolution.
Until the outright rejection of Vatican II as being in any way doctrinal is accomplished, it seems we will continue down this path. Lefebvre, Vigano, and many others, both clerics and laity, came and continue to come to understand this, for in truth its zeitgeist is the source of the suppression of the TLM as part of the ecumenical "shift".
All effort should be to explain that that Council was not a legitimate doctrinal ecumenical council of the Catholic Church, and that it is proper for a Catholic to refuse to comply with its pastoral directives falsely cloaked as binding and doctrinal in nature, even though they may come from one who occupies the See of Peter. For they come not from the Catholic Church but the self named Conciliar Church, the latter founded on notions that deviate from established infallible doctrines of the Catholic Church. Very simply, one cannot "redefine" the doctrine of the Mystical Body from being the Catholic Church for nearly two thousand years to suddenly saying it subsists in it in a non-doctrinal pastoral council, leading to a wholesale reinterpretation, contradiction, or even denial of previous infallible Church teaching as merely era-dependent, a la Modernism.
Yes, and it was a slow burn und JP2 and B16, There teaching was opaque. If people saw a problem it could be made to vanish into orthodoxy in an instant. Poesplaining goes all the way back to J23.
The Trad Inc approach of appeasement comes from fear of being cancelled, alienated from peers, uninvited from conferences, books not fawningly reviewed, etc. This is their livelihood, so they are treading very carefully. However, appeasement and effeminacy should be given no quarter in Church Militant. Abp Lefebrve is the Catholic model of opposition to modernist apostates and they'd be more effective emulating him.
De profundis ad Te clamavi, Domine; Domine, exaudi vocem meam.
Just the fact that we now accept the concept of "Trad Inc" suggests that Satan is already in complete control of the material aspects of the Church, though we know he will never succeed fully.
It matters not what the heretics in Rome do to the abomination of the protestant supper club meeting they call the "novus ordo" in a vain attempt to make it palatable, it is STILL an abomination and heresy!
We all need to remember that permissions are not rights; permissions are given by an authority, be it secular or ecclesiastical, but every permission is subject to revocation at the whim of the authority who gave it, with NO recourse possible for the people to whom the permission was given. Just ask the ICKSP! The Authority who gave us the Tridentine Rite of the Mass was Jesus Christ, which Pope Pius V infallibly declared to be unchangeable in Quo Primum.
We do NOT need a unlawful permission from anyone to worship God in the form His Son created! I for one will never accept the abomination of the novus ordo for it is nothing less than Satan wrapped up in "ecumenical" paper, but it is still heretical.
well said..Christ's Church: satan will never succeed fully.. its true.. look around..there are still scattered diocean tlms sometimes held secretly but still they remain..This is the art of war..Church Millitant..never desert and go play sede-church 'safe' somewhere outside the RCC..
Jack, having suffered through the abomination of VII for 50 years, I know what the truth is as I was raised in it before that abomination was forced on faithful Catholics. I also know what the Traditional Magisterium says about heretics, the Tridentine Rite of the Mass, and latae sententiae excommunication. We have chosen to adhere to the true faith as celebrated by CMRI, and we will never return to the novus ordo, nor will we join those who want to compromise with the heretics in Rome in the unrealistic hope that Rome will grant them "permission" to celebrate what Jesus created that requires no permission. Just ask ICKSP how that is working for them, which we know is not going well as bishops are cancelling their masses whenever they wish.
I pray that the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church will be restored around the world and that everything to do with the evil of V-II be permanently banned. Perhaps we can agree on that.
impersonation is not 'adhere[ing] to true faith..pivarunas is a complete fraudster..he appears to be the one that dummied-up the fake lesourd Thuc letter..blacking out the text that was bleeding thru from the back page..He took Lesourd's fakery to the next level..
Anglicans and Lutherans and others all have a 'divine' or latin mass..doesnt make them the 'true' church.. sedes are just the newest ones to have their own tlm..
sedevacantism is jewish.. make no mistake..all the originators of the sede 'doctrine' have been jews..do the math..
pivarunas personal wealth is now OVER $5MILLION USD..
according to wallstreet..
Mark Pivarunas is one of the richest Priest from United States. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Mark Pivarunas 's net worth $5 Million. (Last Update: December 11, 2023)
I am well aware of the hatred some corrupt and lost souls have against CMRI. If you wish to continue to communicate on factual matters rather than agenda driven ones, we can talk. Otherwise, don't bother.
Evidently, you believe the Modernist heresy that everyone is inside the Church - except those of course who believe in the Deposit of Faith, the true teachings of the Church, and believe in Tradition and tradition.
The litany of desolation is never ending. We are reaping the rotten fruits of relativism in all its expressions: moral, religious, theological, cultural, etc. Pope St. Pius X rightly definited modernism as the synthesis of all heresies. It is my studied opinion that our crisis is greater than the Arian crisis. While the Arians questioned Our Lord's Divinity and indeed denied it, today's heretics deny the truth if Revelation itself. It is a path that leads to indiffertism or sel-deification. Both are destructive.
As for the restructuring of Opus Dei, it is unfortunate but sadly, deserved. It fosters an almost cult-like obsequiousness to ecclesiastical authority even in the face of ecclesiastical abuse of power, often remaining silent when a prophetic voice is needed. The Church needs shepherds not diplomats, not managers but fathers of souls concerned only with the salvation of souls. Salus animarum suprema lex.
Leo has been so outrageously disgusting ,that Trad Inc might be having second thoughts. Its becoming so bad in Rome that on the fence catholics are starting to rethink whats going on!!!!!
Heh. Do I sense the Gen X Force in your Star Wars imagery?
A Cupich Vatican appointment supports my suspicion that he is Pope Bob’s Deep Church handler. Chicago gave us the infamous Frankfort School of Western Communism. Then it gave us Barack Obama. And Cupich. And today it gives us Pope Bob. Lots of reasons to be afraid if true.
You’re confusing the Frankfurt school of Neo-Marxism with Saul Alinsky. The Frankfurt school, after its acolytes immigrated from Nazi Germany, settled at Columbia University. Wolinsky was the Chicago activist who wrote “Rules for capital radicals.”
If I could bleat one tiny defense of Trad, Inc.: suppose they ignore Leo precisely to focus on Christ, faith, and tradition? isn't that good? Also, suppose rock-solid Catholic commenters, let's be cheeky and say Barnhardtbiz Inc., also ignore Leo and focus on the faith? Could "we" then shovel them into Trad, Inc., on grounds of ideological impurity? I.e. "you're not angry enough"? P.s. love your writing.
Did St. Ambrose retreat to the sanctuary and pray for his emperor, the mass murderer, to repent? Probably. But then he risked his life, stood in the cathedral doorway, and blocked his entrance until he confessed and repented. Trad Inc won’t even comment negatively on the nefarious decrees of today’s “Mass murderers” in the Vatican. It’s not holiness. It’s despicable cowardice.
What Bishops? They are all invalid and heretical outside SSPX and a few other. If I was in a NO parish I would resist and if the SSPX ever cave to Rome I will resist them to their face. My parents sat by in the early 70s and said nothing while the church was destroyed. Not me I’m ready to fight for my King.
Christ Instituted the papacy because we need a (valid) pope. We can't ignore the current 'papal' situation. We have to know and speak the truth about it.
What if "Trad Inc" were to suddenly "see the light" tomorrow? No more "almost there". Where would we be then? What problem would "Trad Inc's" change of heart solve?
And, one more thing…most NO seminary’s have not taught Latin in over 60 years. So, NO Catholics should not expect any diocesan priests to say the NO in Latin. Yep, that’s the kicker from Rome. That will be the excuse given by NO bishops and priests- sorry, we do not know Latin. Therefore, the NO will only be said in your native tongue.
I would rather have a TLM in English than a Novus Ordo in Latin.
The closest thing would be the Anglican Ordinariate.
No. The AO is in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. Basically Anglican converts to RC.
Sorry - misunderstood. Or rather forgot the AO - don't really know much about it. Read it as Anglican Church!!!
I commented in the main article about the Ordinariate. It's beautiful.
Complete with female vicars/ministers????!
No.
As a recovering, useful idiot , every day is a learning curve . Every hour some new awareness of the depth and breadth of evil infiltration.
Blessings and appreciation from Sydney Australia.
"Recovering useful idiot"!?! Amazingly worded, totally describes me! 🤣Thank you for sharing that!
My own recovery is a bumpy road and a work in progress. I still am an idiot in many ways, but I do strive not to be useful to evil anymore!
Just confirming that I'm not 'liking' your assertion that you're an idiot!! I often think that most of us are suffering from a spiritual form of PTSD - I know I am!
“And if we discern a certain contradiction in his words and deeds, as well as those of the dicasteries, well, we must choose what was always taught and we turn a deaf ear to the novelties destroying the Church” (21st November 1974).
PPS Whether it was written here or elsewhere: the Vatican dared not contrive a Novus Ordo Divine Liturgy for the Byzantine and other Eastern Catholics for fear that they would simply migrate en masse to their Eastern Orthodox counterparts. As an ethnic Ukrainian, I can attest to that.
And nobody pestered the Anglican Ordinariate over their 500 year old liturgy, which is the closest thing to an English language TLM going in the Church now.
Interesting to note how some are trying to spin the Cupich elevation as a “soft” removal from his position of power in Chicago to a sinecure at the Vatican. Funny how they do the spin-doctoring, almost like a self-appointed Dicastery of the “Dissemination of What We Wish Were True.”
I believe Cupich is Leo’s Deep Church handler. The blind stupidity out of Rome, throwing gasoline on the Trad Cat fires, increases hyperbolically on a weekly basis since Leo’s appointment. They’re running out of their own feet to shoot. I think Cupich is being called to get things back under control.
It will be interesting to see how Cupich uses the new position: Will he make as many public swipes against the Faith? Or will he operate behind the scenes in even more nefarious ways??
I predict the stupid will increase from merely hyperbolic to asymptotic.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
I keep thinking as I continue research that this wholesale persecution of TLM Catholics is a giant house of cards resting largely on a false sense of obedience to an authority that isn't there:
-- not there bc the commands for TLM suppression are unjust, thus not valid;
-- not there bc the hierarchy from Prevost on down are largely heretics or apostates, thus not Catholic, so squatting on their positions;
-- not there bc of the at least doubtful nature of the Paul VI episcopal consecration rite of 1968, meaning most current Western bishops are at best mere priests, if that.
Nostra Mater de Perpetuo Succursu, adiuva nos!
We owe them the respect Elias paid Ahab, not what David paid Saul.
Wojtyla and Ratzinger institutionalized the principles of the so-called Second Vatican Council and made its heresies normative in the daily life of the Church. That was Part I of the Revolution. Part II is upon us: Prevost will institutionalize and make normative the Bergoglian Revolution.
Until the outright rejection of Vatican II as being in any way doctrinal is accomplished, it seems we will continue down this path. Lefebvre, Vigano, and many others, both clerics and laity, came and continue to come to understand this, for in truth its zeitgeist is the source of the suppression of the TLM as part of the ecumenical "shift".
All effort should be to explain that that Council was not a legitimate doctrinal ecumenical council of the Catholic Church, and that it is proper for a Catholic to refuse to comply with its pastoral directives falsely cloaked as binding and doctrinal in nature, even though they may come from one who occupies the See of Peter. For they come not from the Catholic Church but the self named Conciliar Church, the latter founded on notions that deviate from established infallible doctrines of the Catholic Church. Very simply, one cannot "redefine" the doctrine of the Mystical Body from being the Catholic Church for nearly two thousand years to suddenly saying it subsists in it in a non-doctrinal pastoral council, leading to a wholesale reinterpretation, contradiction, or even denial of previous infallible Church teaching as merely era-dependent, a la Modernism.
Yes, and it was a slow burn und JP2 and B16, There teaching was opaque. If people saw a problem it could be made to vanish into orthodoxy in an instant. Poesplaining goes all the way back to J23.
Sad but undeniably true.
I'm literally laughing out loud at the opening movie analogy.
"We are in range. Almost there. Stay on target... Stay on target... Stay on target..."
(Just wait. Just wait... you are going to make it.)
Boom!!! Boom!!!
There's your target.
😅
The Trad Inc approach of appeasement comes from fear of being cancelled, alienated from peers, uninvited from conferences, books not fawningly reviewed, etc. This is their livelihood, so they are treading very carefully. However, appeasement and effeminacy should be given no quarter in Church Militant. Abp Lefebrve is the Catholic model of opposition to modernist apostates and they'd be more effective emulating him.
De profundis ad Te clamavi, Domine; Domine, exaudi vocem meam.
Just the fact that we now accept the concept of "Trad Inc" suggests that Satan is already in complete control of the material aspects of the Church, though we know he will never succeed fully.
It matters not what the heretics in Rome do to the abomination of the protestant supper club meeting they call the "novus ordo" in a vain attempt to make it palatable, it is STILL an abomination and heresy!
We all need to remember that permissions are not rights; permissions are given by an authority, be it secular or ecclesiastical, but every permission is subject to revocation at the whim of the authority who gave it, with NO recourse possible for the people to whom the permission was given. Just ask the ICKSP! The Authority who gave us the Tridentine Rite of the Mass was Jesus Christ, which Pope Pius V infallibly declared to be unchangeable in Quo Primum.
We do NOT need a unlawful permission from anyone to worship God in the form His Son created! I for one will never accept the abomination of the novus ordo for it is nothing less than Satan wrapped up in "ecumenical" paper, but it is still heretical.
Domine, miserere nobis peccatoribus!
well said..Christ's Church: satan will never succeed fully.. its true.. look around..there are still scattered diocean tlms sometimes held secretly but still they remain..This is the art of war..Church Millitant..never desert and go play sede-church 'safe' somewhere outside the RCC..
https://sedewatch.com/
Jack, having suffered through the abomination of VII for 50 years, I know what the truth is as I was raised in it before that abomination was forced on faithful Catholics. I also know what the Traditional Magisterium says about heretics, the Tridentine Rite of the Mass, and latae sententiae excommunication. We have chosen to adhere to the true faith as celebrated by CMRI, and we will never return to the novus ordo, nor will we join those who want to compromise with the heretics in Rome in the unrealistic hope that Rome will grant them "permission" to celebrate what Jesus created that requires no permission. Just ask ICKSP how that is working for them, which we know is not going well as bishops are cancelling their masses whenever they wish.
I pray that the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church will be restored around the world and that everything to do with the evil of V-II be permanently banned. Perhaps we can agree on that.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
impersonation is not 'adhere[ing] to true faith..pivarunas is a complete fraudster..he appears to be the one that dummied-up the fake lesourd Thuc letter..blacking out the text that was bleeding thru from the back page..He took Lesourd's fakery to the next level..
Anglicans and Lutherans and others all have a 'divine' or latin mass..doesnt make them the 'true' church.. sedes are just the newest ones to have their own tlm..
sedevacantism is jewish.. make no mistake..all the originators of the sede 'doctrine' have been jews..do the math..
https://sedewatch.com/jew-paul-lesourd.html
pivarunas personal wealth is now OVER $5MILLION USD..
according to wallstreet..
Mark Pivarunas is one of the richest Priest from United States. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Mark Pivarunas 's net worth $5 Million. (Last Update: December 11, 2023)
https://celebrity-birthdays.com/people/mark-pivarunas
https://sedewatch.com/
I am well aware of the hatred some corrupt and lost souls have against CMRI. If you wish to continue to communicate on factual matters rather than agenda driven ones, we can talk. Otherwise, don't bother.
In Hoc Signo Vinces.
Any evidence that the $5 million isn't a factual matter? Would like to read it if you have.
The fact that you're stating that anyone against CMRI is a corrupt and lost soul speaks volumes about their followers - and possibly them as well.
Evidently, you believe the Modernist heresy that everyone is inside the Church - except those of course who believe in the Deposit of Faith, the true teachings of the Church, and believe in Tradition and tradition.
The litany of desolation is never ending. We are reaping the rotten fruits of relativism in all its expressions: moral, religious, theological, cultural, etc. Pope St. Pius X rightly definited modernism as the synthesis of all heresies. It is my studied opinion that our crisis is greater than the Arian crisis. While the Arians questioned Our Lord's Divinity and indeed denied it, today's heretics deny the truth if Revelation itself. It is a path that leads to indiffertism or sel-deification. Both are destructive.
As for the restructuring of Opus Dei, it is unfortunate but sadly, deserved. It fosters an almost cult-like obsequiousness to ecclesiastical authority even in the face of ecclesiastical abuse of power, often remaining silent when a prophetic voice is needed. The Church needs shepherds not diplomats, not managers but fathers of souls concerned only with the salvation of souls. Salus animarum suprema lex.
I was shocked while still in the NO cult at Opus Dei’s eager acceptance of and toadying to Bergoglio.
Describing OD as a papalist cult is the most accurate description of it that I can find.
Leo has been so outrageously disgusting ,that Trad Inc might be having second thoughts. Its becoming so bad in Rome that on the fence catholics are starting to rethink whats going on!!!!!
Heh. Do I sense the Gen X Force in your Star Wars imagery?
A Cupich Vatican appointment supports my suspicion that he is Pope Bob’s Deep Church handler. Chicago gave us the infamous Frankfort School of Western Communism. Then it gave us Barack Obama. And Cupich. And today it gives us Pope Bob. Lots of reasons to be afraid if true.
You’re confusing the Frankfurt school of Neo-Marxism with Saul Alinsky. The Frankfurt school, after its acolytes immigrated from Nazi Germany, settled at Columbia University. Wolinsky was the Chicago activist who wrote “Rules for capital radicals.”
If I could bleat one tiny defense of Trad, Inc.: suppose they ignore Leo precisely to focus on Christ, faith, and tradition? isn't that good? Also, suppose rock-solid Catholic commenters, let's be cheeky and say Barnhardtbiz Inc., also ignore Leo and focus on the faith? Could "we" then shovel them into Trad, Inc., on grounds of ideological impurity? I.e. "you're not angry enough"? P.s. love your writing.
One can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Did St. Ambrose retreat to the sanctuary and pray for his emperor, the mass murderer, to repent? Probably. But then he risked his life, stood in the cathedral doorway, and blocked his entrance until he confessed and repented. Trad Inc won’t even comment negatively on the nefarious decrees of today’s “Mass murderers” in the Vatican. It’s not holiness. It’s despicable cowardice.
Well said. But I understand Trad Inc. is just the commentariat, not the bishops? is there a way to persuade Trad Inc. to face the bishops?
Chasing down deserters in the middle of the battle and pleading with them to fight is a strategy for defeat.
What Bishops? They are all invalid and heretical outside SSPX and a few other. If I was in a NO parish I would resist and if the SSPX ever cave to Rome I will resist them to their face. My parents sat by in the early 70s and said nothing while the church was destroyed. Not me I’m ready to fight for my King.
I thought the SSPX "caved to Rome" in 2012.... Would you be willing to explain how you see the status of the SSPX now?
Christ Instituted the papacy because we need a (valid) pope. We can't ignore the current 'papal' situation. We have to know and speak the truth about it.
What if "Trad Inc" were to suddenly "see the light" tomorrow? No more "almost there". Where would we be then? What problem would "Trad Inc's" change of heart solve?
And, one more thing…most NO seminary’s have not taught Latin in over 60 years. So, NO Catholics should not expect any diocesan priests to say the NO in Latin. Yep, that’s the kicker from Rome. That will be the excuse given by NO bishops and priests- sorry, we do not know Latin. Therefore, the NO will only be said in your native tongue.
So this is what you think is the Roman Catholic Church? As my Southern wife so often says, “Bless your heart.”