Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Elizabeth's avatar

“So when Roche claims that the theology has changed, he is admitting what defenders of the reform usually deny. The reform embodies a different emphasis. Sometimes it carries a different spirit. Often it produces a different faith.”

The novus ordo mass IS of a new religion. I’ve tried to resist this idea for decades. I think the behaviour of the post conciliar Church during Covid was the last straw. They shut the doors in our faces. I felt the deepest betrayal. I cannot ever go back. I know we’re not to rely on feelings but if I have to be at a Novus Ordo pseudo mass out of charity for a funeral, wedding or grandchildren’s sacraments it feels like torture.

William Murphy's avatar

Thanks again, Chris. Our liturgical chaos was well illustrated by the memorial Mass for Pope Francis in Sofia in Bulgaria in April 2025.

One huge advantage of the Latin Mass was that Catholics could worship together anywhere in the world. For this solemn occasion in St Joseph's, someone had to partially reinvent a Latin liturgy. Catholics are a tiny minority in Bulgaria, but on such a day the great and the good showed up.

The first three rows of this modestly sized church were filled with the formally funerally dressed. And there would have been people from numerous language backgrounds. So the cobbled together liturgy had several major prayers in Latin. God knows what any Orthodox present made of it.

It reminds me of a recent wacky article explaining why local churches should be allowed to keep very local liturgies and why there need not even be uniformity in one congregation about kneeling or standing at the same time..... It would naturally reflect the doctrinal chaos within the congregation.

98 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?