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DJG's avatar

If he handed the words of consecration over to a woman and she is the one who pronounced them, there certainly was no actual consecration.

Back In the Day's avatar

This is truly shocking. I read on X today (paraphrasing): “Don’t worry. This is pure evil & in the South, we have a saying: ‘Don’t make Mama (The Blessed Virgin Mother) angry!’ “ That actually made me feel better! The enemy trembles at the mere mention of Her Holy Name! We ALL know She is ANGRY, The Saints & Angels weep, and St. Michael is patrolling. +God, please save Your Church!!!

Shawn Albert's avatar

True. If the 'bishop' did not say the words of Consecration, there was no Consecration. But there was still a certainly blasphemous act.

So, will what is known as "Trad Inc." stand up and condemn this act? Will they call out Leo for his (lack of) action? Or will they just say, "Oh well, he needs time to assess the situation and decide what he's going to do." How much time does it take to watch a video or look at some pictures and say, "That's definitely wrong, immoral, and blasphemous."

Michael of the Cross's avatar

I think we would all agree it is not time that Prevost needs to make a decision. It is the commitment to God's Church and to do the will of God that he is lacking. Let's pray for his conversion to true Catholicism!

Elaine's avatar

What is more blasphemous is the fact that JPII, Benedict XVI and Francis practiced public idolatry, taught heresies that the Church had condemned, worshipped with those who believe in false religions, and desecrated many churches by saying the heretical Novus Ordo mass. But how many believe that a true pope could do these things? Millions.

Meg Cortona's avatar

Blessing Elaine, I’m new to learning about the sede v position. I just don’t understand how a layman can decide if the pope is the pope. Wouldn’t bishops have to make a public statement to let the laity know that the pope isn’t the pope?

Elaine's avatar

Laymen have the duty and responsibility to know the true Catholic faith. And if they do, they know that someone is teaching or preaching heresy. With that said, a layman does not have any authority to legally declare someone is not the pope but they must adhere to what the Church teaches so can rightfully reject as a true pope someone that teaches heresy.

DJG's avatar

No one has any specific authority that I know of to "legally" declare that someone is not the pope. But it's not any legality that matters. What matters is the truth uncovered through right reason applied to evidence

Elaine's avatar

Of course the truth is what matters. But if I try to convince someone that the pope has taught heresies or publicly practiced idolatry which is worse and cite teachings of the church that prove these teachings are heretical and pictures or videos are available showing the pope is practicing idolatry, and the person condemns me for being a schismatic when I say I reject this person as a true pope, because I have no authority to make this claim, it would help if there were some legal way to convince this person of my assessment.

Men's Media Network's avatar

Taylor Marshall (unless it was an imposter) opened a Substack account last week and published an article about St. Paul. Last I looked, 24 likes. About six hundred followers.

John Hochstedt's avatar

It never is in the Nauseous Ordure which Hell’s puppet Johnny Batts aka Paul 6 vomited onto the Church

Kaylene Emery's avatar

A tad incidental…under the circumstances.

Don’t ch reckon?

DJG's avatar

Perhaps, but we do need to see the whole picture.

DJG's avatar

A man who calls himself pope is not taking action in the face of 90% to 95% of Catholic youth raised in the Novus Ordo ceasing to practice the faith as adults. Even though this does not happen to youth raised in the Traditional Latin Mass, this so-called pope continues with the outlawing of the TLM.

A true father would not give his children a stone instead of bread.

Prevost cannot be a true father.

Elaine's avatar

A man can call himself anything. Leo, Francis, Benedict XVI, Paul VI, and John XXIII all called themselves the pope but were not. They all gave children stones instead of bread.

Men's Media Network's avatar

Good point. At the time I evacuated myself from our N.O. parish, there were no young people in the pews other than one or two small children in tow. Other parishes report same. Yet thousands show up in Rome for WYD. What’s the disconnect?

Evangeline's avatar

Why do some not develop a sensus fidei, a sense of the faith? Why do people not seek truth, but only to have their ears tickled, wandering after fables? Hard question to answer.

Francisca's avatar

That's the Bishop, is it? He needs an exorcist; the Shrine needs to be purified - can it be exorcised as well? The so-called''Anglicans' can just be kicked out. Must say that my now deceased Anglican ex-neighbour (UK) would be horrified, I'm pretty sure. Why is it so often Our Lady who they target? Jesus will not let it all go unpunished. The Vatican and Vatican City both also need to be exorcised. Perhaps we will one day see and hear the demons shrieking as they get booted out at last by St Michael.

Petite Fleur's avatar

Powerfully written. Thank you again, Chris, for speaking the truth.

Veda Orien's avatar

Mr. Jackson, just read Infovaticana today, and you'll see the New Babylon shining in all its satanic splendour. Wonder what Trad Inc. is going to say from now on. Pope Bob does not hide anymore. My only hope is that the darkest hour is that before the dawn. Let's hope so. We Catholics are in our darkest hour.

David Charles's avatar

I like how this post dips into a systematic approach to the crisis with the compilation of suppression.

My senses are awakened. My emotions are activated.

I am ready to put my mind to work on this problem. Mr. Jackson, you deserve a lot of credit for this. Thank you.

I think an important next step is to name and describe with precision exactly how the revolutionaries continue unopposed. There are definitely patterns, suggesting a playbook.

I don't think that precludes prayer, fasting, and sacrifice. In the spirit of St. Augustine, we can pray for healing AND take our medicine.

I wonder if anyone out there has begun this systematic work?

Michael of the Cross's avatar

A powerful article and commentary. Clearly, the VII ape of the church is no longer Catholic in any

way. I humbly ask your readers to pray for our mission which is to bring a Tridentine Rite Mass to College Station, TX. We are driving two hours each way just to attend Mass, a small sacrifice we gladly make. Though there is still a huge gap in the celebration of our faith as we have no daily Mass, nor first Friday or Saturday devotion, no baptisms, confirmations or Eucharistic Adoration, nor other sacraments, and no Catholic burial as the bogus ordo church of heresy will not bury Catholics who remain faithful to the Traditional Magisterium.

Fiat voluntas Tua, Domine.

Betty Bosarge's avatar

Praying for y'all in College Station if you will please pray for us in Austin. Bishop Joe took away the TLM at the Cathedral and we have to drive to Waco or Dripping Springs where the TLM is celebrated in a parish hall, not the Church. Neither of those is an option for me on Lake Travis. Gracias!

Michail Viljami Hubbard's avatar

Fr. Zigrang offers mass twice a month in a hotel south of the river. Not ideal, but if you can't make it to Dripping Springs, it's a good second option.

Betty Bosarge's avatar

Thanks! I met Fr. Z in 2013 here in Austin but didn't know he was still celebrating the Mass here. I'll check it out with a friend I think attends it.

Michael of the Cross's avatar

Thank you Betty. I was aware of what Bishop Joe did which was heart braking, but I have come to expect that from all novus ordo bishops. We will pray for you and the faithful Catholics in Austin. There is a true Catholic Mass in Pipe Creek at Sanctus Ranch, though it is a good drive for you.

Betty Bosarge's avatar

Thanks, Sanctus Ranch is a bit too far but it is exellent. I have some friends who occasionally go there. I'm going to try Fr. Z's Mass in south Austin.

lite Deb's avatar

I can't read today's article. Even the title scarred (not scared) me.

Michael of the Cross's avatar

I feel your pain. I cannot even walk into a building where the bogus ordo protestant supper club meeting is held as I know it offends God.

Petite Fleur's avatar

I don't like the Novus Ordo Mass at all but it is still Mass offering the Holy Eucharist, and for those of us who cannot feasibly make it to a TLM (totally banned in my archdiocese of Baltimore), it is the only Mass. Fortunately, it can be said reverently by good, solid priests, if fortunate enough to have them. Luckily, in my parish (the only parish in my small community) there are reverent priests, two of whom were just recently transferred here. The new pastor reinstated confession in the actual confessional (the previous pastor had confessions heard in the sacristy where one had no choice but to go face-to-face, something I, personally, don't feel comfortable with) and at multiple times instead of just the 1:00-2:00 pm Saturday slot. He also says the St Michael prayer after each Mass. I received Holy Communion on the tongue from the new young priest this Sunday without fear of embarrassment, and will hopefully do so from now on. (Unless I coward up again.) Pray for all the good priests we do have and thank God for them!

Elaine's avatar

You might want to read what two cardinals wrote about the Novus Ordo Mass before it was foisted upon the faithful.

The Ottaviani Intervention - https://lms.org.uk/ottaviani-intervention

Michael of the Cross's avatar

One more thought.

No offense intended, but what you "like" is irrelevant. The ONLY thing that matters is truth, and the only place for eternal truth is the one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church as Jesus Christ established it. I encourage you to give prayerful thought to this.

RosaryKnight's avatar

Better to stay home, follow the traditional missal (& a live stream Mass if possible), read a trad sermon, e.g. at tradlatinmass.com & pray an extra rosary or more than attend the Novus Ordo.

The Novus Ordo is based on a different doctrine of the Mass than the Traditional Mass, as even its creators admit, & is invalid. See the scholarly (esp. in the notes) but easy to understand Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI by Fr Anthony Cekada, which covers the history & development of both the Traditional & New Mass: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada

youtube.com/watch?v=KN7oftiL4XY (chapter summaries)

Petite Fleur's avatar

You don’t have the right to determine how I live my faith. Only your own. I would rather receive the Body and Blood. When that is taken away, then I’ll stay home.

Michael of the Cross's avatar

No one here is dictating anything to you. We are only trying to help you see the truth of what the church has become. You are allowed to choose what you believe. Just know there are consequences. Please prayerfully consider the following.

There is reasonable doubt that Transubstantiation occurs at all in a novus ordo meeting due to the doctrines of the true Church. First, there is the question of the validity of ordinations of priests by the 1983 Code of Canon Law which is a creation of VII. Invalid ordinations mean the priest is not a priest meaning no consecration occurs. Next, there is the issue that modernism, which everything to do with VII is, has been declared as heresy meaning everything to do with VII, especially the fake mass, is heretical. Lastly, there are serious issues with the consecration itself as VII changed the words. For your sake, please read Quo Primum which clearly states that NO one, not even a pope, may change the words of the Mass on pain of anathema.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Petite Fleur's avatar

Where is your authority to pronounce that the Mass for the last 50-plus years has been invalid and it has not been the Body and Blood of Christ I’ve been receiving these many years? Were you ordained? Do your hands have the power to consecrate? Yes, there are bad people infiltrating the Church right now but it is still the Church founded by Christ. When the words, “This is my Body, this is my Blood” are changed to mean something else, that’s when you will see the Truth go underground. That will be the Desolation of Abomination. We!re not quite there yet. There are still many good and holy priests out there, not a lot, it’s true, but still laboring in the Vineyard; and yes, they celebrate the NO. You best make sure you’re not contributing to that Great Apostasy yourself by encouraging Catholics to leave the Church founded by Christ instead of standing firm in defense of her and defying the wrong that is being done to her but not abandoning her.

Kaylene Emery's avatar

Come on Little Deb….you can do it.

lite Deb's avatar

liteDeb after attaining weight loss through self control. Yep, I'm an avoider. When pushed, I go for the win.

Kaylene Emery's avatar

Self control = personal power.

Sonia's avatar

There is a 'Church' recognised by Freemasonry as one of its 'positions of influence' and it WAS Protestantism. Now, it is the Conciliar 'church', within which subsists Protestantism.

Michael of the Cross's avatar

Yes, words matter, don't they, as all demons know! "Subsists"? NO, it is heresy!

St.T's avatar

Demons keep exposing themselves

Martin T's avatar

Pride gets the better of them. They can’t help themselves!

John Orban's avatar

I suppose I'm naive, but I struggle to understand these individuals. O.K., I get it. They are Godless heathens. What in the name of all that's holy do they expect is going to happen when they die? Or have they figured out a way to avoid death?

I watched the video vaticancatholic.com posted of the gangbanger who was shot and medically dead. In those three+ minutes, he had a glimpse of Hell. Interestingly, what he saw seems to correspond to what the children at Fatima and some of the early saints saw. I can tell you it scared the living daylights out of me. Watch it if you dare.

Men's Media Network's avatar

On April 1, 2019, Bishop Steven J. Lopes, prelate of the Anglican Ordinariate in the US, excommunicated Father Vaughn Treco, pastor of St. Bede the Venerable parish in Minneapolis, after a sermon criticizing the Second Vatican Council; the priest’s parish was also closed.

Joannes's avatar

"Unity"?!

Yeah, there is a certain unity of some, with the Devil and his minions and slaves.

As we know there is no and can't be any unity in Church when there is no, first and foremost, unity in Faith.

RosaryKnight's avatar

"A woman in a stole, whispering the words of Christ, raising [not] the Precious Blood of Our Lord [but just wine] for the [deceived] people to adore, while [an invalid] bishop smiled beside her."

Petite Fleur's avatar

Now that was not a true consecration and Catholics would have been well within their rights to stand up and walk out showing their disgust and disapproval to what is being allowed in our churches.

Elaine's avatar

No faithful Catholic could ever attend any Novus Ordo mass.

Petite Fleur's avatar

Nonsense! Maybe you mean a spectacle like what Chris Jackson describes in his post? But if not, then what's the alternative? Stay away from Mass altogether and the Eucharist? Not all faithful Catholics (and I am a very faithful Catholic, thank you) can attend a TLM. But that does not render the NO invalid. Your statement is shocking, to say the least. I will follow the Catechism and the Magisterium before I listen to any cardinal, sedevacantist, or layperson who claim to know the truth but is basically proposing protestantism. You do that if you wish but you have no right to tell Catholics they need to stay away from Mass, even the Novus Ordo. You're committing a grave sin by leading souls astray.

Elaine's avatar

No, Vatican II leads souls astray. Have you ever read any of the criticisms of the Novus Ordo Mass by cardinals, bishops and priests who understand clearly how it is an abomination?

Please read the Ottaviani Intervention first if you have not done so.

https://lms.org.uk/ottaviani-intervention

It isn't merely my opinion. If you want to follow the true Catholic faith you would also refer to the Catechism of Trent (not Vatican II) and the popes and magisterium that came before them.

Then, please read the book "Work of Human Hands" by Rev. Anthony Cekada

Then the book: The Problems with the New Mass by Fr. Rama P. Coomaraswamy, M.D., F.A.C.S.

https://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/newmass/problemsnm.htm

Petite Fleur's avatar

I was born and raised in the Catholic faith long before VII and know a bit. Your statement telling me how to follow the true, Catholic faith is a rather cocky and arrogant statement to make. And yes, it is your opinion and the opinions of several various and random authors whose writings you choose to put your faith in. That's up to you. Both catechisms, the CCC and the Council of Trent, are invaluable and necessary resources for Catholics to follow, each from a different time and place, each complementing the other. As long as the consecration of the Eucharist takes place on the altar, I'll attend Mass, NO or TLM. When that ceases, the Mass then becomes invalid and ceases to be.

Elaine's avatar

I'm sorry you find my trying to share with you the truth cocky. The links are there if you ever want to read them. I pray that you will come to know and accept the truth.

Petite Fleur's avatar

I have accepted the truth and to put yourself above the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic faith of over 2000 years claiming you have the only truth is not only cocky, it is downright protestant.

Aemilia Latin's avatar

This is so scandalous. Is there any faith left in the NO Church?