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DJG's avatar
Sep 19Edited

To hold that the perennial teachings of the Church can change is to say that truth can change. But if truth can change, then there is no such thing as truth. And if there is no such thing as truth, then Jesus was mistaken when He said that He is the truth. And if Jesus was mistaken, then it is meaningless to be a Catholic. And if it is meaningless to be a Catholic, then who cares what this Prevost guy says.

People who say Prevost is a valid pope are doing so in the desire to be obedient to the Catholic Church. But holding Prevost as a valid pope is actually the destruction of the Church and of any rational purpose to be obedient to her. Those who would save the Church by being loyal to Prevost are actually destroying the Church.

How ironic that it is not the sedevacantists who are destroying the Church, but rather those who are loyal to this 'pope'.

The Church cannot be saved by Catholics who are loyal to someone who is destroying the Church.

St Paul has warned us to hold even an angel in anathema if he preaches something contrary to the Gospel that has been received from the Apostles. For Satan can appear as an angel of light to spread his darkness.

Will we side with the Church's perennial teachings, or with Prevost?

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E Maria Villa's avatar

We side with the Roman Catholic Church Jesus Christ founded, NOT the ape catholic church founded by man.

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Stan's avatar

So if I had a friend who wanted to become Catholic, where is the RCIA I could bring him to?

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Brenda's avatar

The faithful should stop giving money to the ape church.

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RyeleeTucker's avatar

How did God ordain souls to eternal life before the ecumenical synodal church devised RCIA as the prerequisite to adult Baptism? (Study to show thyself approved.) Be a friend. A pre-conciliar edition of the Baltimore Catechism would be an excellent primer for your friend. The head will follow the heart.)

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E Maria Villa's avatar

It eventually will, at some point be up to us, the laity like the suffering Catholic Church in China who continue to this day, to uphold the TRUE Catholic Church underground, despite the CCP. REMEMBER THIS; as St. Paul stated; Only those who remain True to Jesus Christ and HIS Roman Catholic to the END, will be saved.

In the meantime, we are called (always) to Pray and Pray without ceasing!

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DJG's avatar
Sep 19Edited

"But whoever perseveres to the end, he shall be saved" is a quote from Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew (24:13) and also appears in Mark (13:13). It was not St Paul who stated this.

And, Jesus did not say "only".

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E Maria Villa's avatar

Christ already had established HIS Catholic Church at that point. Christ, HIS mother and countless saints have called us to 'pray without ceasing.'

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William The Samaritan's avatar

Was hoping to see an answer to this, but no.

I went to the local Indult Mass a few times and then asked about RCIA, and they told me they were not offering it, but that I would have to go through some other NO parish church. The issue of conversion to the traditional faith and its sacraments is a very difficult one. The Sedevacantists will routinely offer provisional Baptisms, but I imagine if I say to a NO priest that I was baptized in an Anglo-Catholic church that they would not bother, even though I know the rite was materially dubious.

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Antonia D's avatar

I read an article about a man’s long battle to be conditionally baptized b/c of his doubtful Protestant baptism. He finally got it done, though. It’s ridiculous… but the result of massive infiltration of the clergy. Keep fighting!

May God bless and guide you & all your loved ones.

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Pilgrim58's avatar

20 years surprisingly asked local Priest why there wasn’t a National Adult Catholic Education program. he referred to a Bishop. now i was in tall grass. the Bishop then referred me to an Archbishop who then moved me into a Cardinal.

same simple question.

the question put back to me question from the Cardinal?

what am I going to do about it? implying it was the laity’s role.

that was 2004.

the cardinal well known is now retired.

hmmmf!

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John Hochstedt's avatar

They are paper shuffling drag queens.

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John Hochstedt's avatar

None. The RCIA is the entrance rite of the false church.

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Elaine's avatar

Take him to a chapel or parish that believes and teachings all of the true teachings of the Catholic Church which are CMRI, SSPV and independents (not affiliated with apostate Rome) which can be found on the website traditio.com.

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Antonia D's avatar

For those wanting to go through RCIA: Discover more about the traditional Latin Mass (TLM) at https://www.latinmass.com. Find a TLM near you at https://www.latinmass.com/find-latin-mass.

May God bless and guide you & all your loved ones.

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Joe Martinez's avatar

To heck with RCIA. Just direct your friend to SSPV.

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Stan's avatar
Sep 19Edited

It's not that easy. The question of sedevacantism aside (I'm not convinced), there isn't an SSPV chapel anywhere near where I live. Seven hour drive to the nearest FSSP/SSPX/some sort of sede chapel. Many of us are in novus ordo deserts.

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Elaine's avatar

Check out CMRI.org and tradition.com and click on the Official Traditional Catholic directory.

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Antonia D's avatar

There are, sadly, WAY too many TLM deserts. You might be able to find something where a priest will do instruction by Zoom calls, at least for many sessions. It’s worth the drive/flight if you can go a few times.

Or, better yet, *move* to a place with several TLMs in the area (not just diocesan ones, but SSPX as well to be safe). It’s the most important thing in life, well worth a move! You could discuss this with a priest or two and take it to prayer. If we’re nearing the end times, you’ll want to be very close to traditional priests and laity anyway.

Take care. My prayers are going up for you & everyone in TLM deserts.

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Joe Martinez's avatar

I understand. God's will be done.

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David Rollins's avatar

“Care must especially be had that — that be held which has been believed in all places, at all times, and by all the faithful. By this touchstone, may we distinguish Catholic truth from pernicious error.” The Commonitory of St. Vincent of Lerins.

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Fr. José Miguel Marqués Campo's avatar

Thank you, Mr. Jackson, you are outdoing yourself. Invaluable commentary for our times. Leo’s interview is classic modernism… with good manners.

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Elaine's avatar

Is it good manners to obfuscate, be ambiguous or lie?

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Padre Peregrino's avatar

Francis 2.0 is much more slimy than Francis 1.0. Harder to pin down means more crafty in error.

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Voco Veritas's avatar

Prevost is the definition of a true wolf in sheep's clothing!

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Tom's avatar

It's worse than that. He's wearing shepherd's clothing.

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John Paul's avatar

That's why the antichrist picked him. Soon the antichrist will sit in the chair of Peter, as La Salette prophesied in 1846. Francis failed to complete the full destruction, so False Prophet part 1 is now replaced with False Prophet part II.

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St.T's avatar

Pray for his soul. The pope is

worm-ridden as things now stand.

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RosaryKnight's avatar

It is not the pope that is worm-ridden. It is a man. A true, valid pope is prevented by the Holy Spirit from betraying Catholic doctrine and Catholic Tradition.

An interesting and very important fact is that the The Fathers of the First Vatican Council concluded that no Pope had ever been a heretic – not Liberius, Honorius I, John XII, John XXII, nor any other name that is brought up in association with the accusation of “papal heresy.” Nor had any pope failed to maintain Apostolic Tradition in doctrine, worship, sacramental rites, discipline or anything essential to the Catholic faith & practice. NEVER HAPPENED AND NEVER WILL. The Holy Spirit also prevents heretics from being elected pope (like the Freemason Rampolla in 1903), and true pope can’t even teach, promote or approve anything injurious to faith or morals or perfect worship, and not just when teaching ex cathedra.. This is the Tradition of the Church.

“…this See of Saint Peter always remains unblemished by any error, according to the divine promise of our Lord & Savior to the prince of his disciples: ‘I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail….’” – Vatican I, Pastor Aeternus, 4.

novusordowatch.org/2022/04/felix-cappello-heretical-pope-impossible;

novusordowatch.org/2015/04/heretical-popes-first-vatican-council

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Joe Martinez's avatar

Just today I heard Patrick Madrid of Relevant Radio refer to the past "bad, wicked popes." But you'd never hear him refer to the conciliar popes with such words.

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Men's Media Network's avatar

Patrick Madrid personally laid into me with a nasty verbal tirade in 2013 for merely asking a sincere question regarding the validity of Benedict’s “resignation.” It was during a call-in to CA on air. Actually the entire CA team piled on. I merely asked a question. Madrid and the CA regulars were Francis popesplainer from Day 1. I do believe that experience is what set me on the path away from the N.O. Church for once and for all.

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John Paul's avatar

Madrid and "Catholic" Answers are firmly in the "professional Catholic" business and must please the corrupted hierarchy.

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Joe Martinez's avatar

I almost have more respect for fringe modernist heretics than the likes of Madrid, Mariani and Arroyo because they know full well what they are hiding from their ignorant and gullible listening audience. They wouldn't dare utter the slightest criticism of the Vatican hierarchy because they'd be out of a job and they'd lose their prominent novus ordo reputations. I guess their consciences remain clean because 95% of what they say on the air is orthodox and in their minds, the grand sin of omission is excused, but I don't think it's gonna wash when they meet their Maker.

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Men's Media Network's avatar

I like Arroyo, but agree he’s hurting more than helping the cause. I took an instant dislike to Mariani the first time I ever saw him. I find “Catholic apologetics for sport” repugnant.

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RosaryKnight's avatar

Much less call them heretical papal pretenders, since a true pope can be bad & wicked but will never betray the faith or even teach or approve anything harmful to souls.

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Joyce's avatar

so you say! What do you think was done during Francis's time as pope, and you must realize the POPE is a human man, not divine. IF anything said or done that is against the Word of God, the 10 commands, God's law, is not to be followed.

Your choice is this: to follow God's Law, Word, or the word of a man who goes against what has been handed down to us from the Apostles, the Deposit of Faith, Christ's teaching and the Magisterium. If it goes against these, then you in good conscience cannot assent to them. God or man's doctrine?

We are in times that are prophetic and as Bishop Sheen prophesied, there will be a faith in the times before the Anti-Christ that will be the ape of the Church. It will look Catholic but not be the True Faith. It will be a faith of modernism and progressivism. Are we in those times?

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Dr Obvious (DoctorObvious)'s avatar

In 1974, at age 14, I ceased attending the NO mass. For over four decades, I received no sacraments. Didn’t even have a rosary any more.

In 2021, I started praying the rosary daily, teaching myself to pray it in Latin by Easter 2021. My first return to the sacraments was at the SSPX chapel 35 miles from my home.

There is no going back to N0 and the modernism I abandoned as a teen. It’s a miracle God preserved me through all those years in self-exile, only to finally lead me to where I belong, and where I shall remain to the end of my days, with the Mass of the Ages.

Keep calm, pray, and attend the TLM. SSPX has been my home for the last 4 years and will remain.

Viva Christo Rey!

Ave Maria🙏💖🕊️

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Chris Jackson's avatar

God bless you

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RosaryKnight's avatar

Yes, I am morally certain we are in the time of the prophesied Great Apostasy.

Do you know much about the suppressed Third Secret of Fatima (as opposed to what the Vatican revealed in 2000)? Few know that the Third Secret was read by Pius XII in 1957 in the company of various prelates (unpublicized), one of them being the American Cardinal Samuel Stritch, who indirectly revealed 2 parts of it to 2 priest associates, one of the parts foretelling the New Mass:

youtube.com/watch?v=nO-8UhGOagg&t=4s (3 min, 40 sec; the YT channel has more)

Even Benedict XVI when cardinal credibly revealed to Fr Dollinger, a close friend of his, that the Third Secret included the foretelling of "a bad council and a bad mass": onepeterfive.com/cardinal-ratzinger-not-published-whole-third-secret-fatima

And that can only happen under a false pope, "the top," as Cardinal Mario Ciappi revealed. Cardinal Ciappi, who read the Third Secret, said, "In the Third Secret it is revealed, among other things, that the Great Apostasy in the Church will begin at the top" (letter to Prof. Baumgartner, 1995). What is "the top" but the papacy?

Much more could be said, but I recommend for further inquiry both novusordowatch.org & whitesmoke1958.com.

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Al's avatar

DITTO!

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Sonia's avatar

Lies murder souls. V2 is a tapestry of lies and its salesmen are not valid matter for the papacy.  The popular faleshood that Catholics should guard themselves against poison coming from the Vicars of Christ is a Protestant lie. The Vicar of Christ cannot promulgate error. This is Catholic dogma. Therefore any prelate promulgating error is a wolf in shepherd's clothing. Prevost is the leader of a V2 Protestant denomination squatting in Catholic Sees.

It is getting very late in the day for folks with a fondness for spiritual cataracts.

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Dianne Raimondi's avatar

It is not dogma, it is a theological opinion, which is in error. A pope a sin/apostacy is a sin.a pope is a fallen creature.fallen creatures sin. Simple.

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Sonia's avatar

It is dogma; a dogma succinctly summed up by Pope Benedict XV, who declared that the Popes are 'gates of the Church' against which the gates of hell cannot prevail.

We have no pope. Kyrie eleison.

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John Hochstedt's avatar

He quoted the actual statement of the Catholic Church as the mystical body of Christ through its actual head. Bergoglio was not a pope. Roncalli was not a pope. Montini I and Luciano and Wojtyla and Ratzinger were not popes.

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Elaine's avatar

It isn't what she says but what the Church teaches.

Francis was not a true pope so what he did isn't relevant to what Prevost is doing. (He isn't a true pope either.)

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DJG's avatar

"no Pope had ever been a heretic"

I would add for purposes of clarification that this does not merely apply to so-called special infallible statements ("ex cathedra"), but also to the ordinary teachings of a pope.

In other words we have never had a true pope who has said things like Bergoglio and Prevost have said in the ordinary way of teaching.

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RosaryKnight's avatar

And we have never had a true pope who has said things like John XXIII thru Benedict have said in the ordinary way of teaching.

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Elaine's avatar

He isn't the pope.

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Petite Fleur's avatar

Yes, their goal is to soften attitudes just the way they did with communion in the hand and emphasizing that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is no more than a fraternal meal among friends until now it so widely accepted that anyone who tries to receive on the tongue or who kneels before the Blessed Sacrament is condemned as cuckoo. What they've been working on is softening attitudes to accept homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and transgendering, with an unpunished, arrogant, and unrepentant James Martin as their cheerleader. I believe that the real beginning of all this was when Francis placed the abomination of desolation on the altar of St. Peter's - Pachamama. After that we had Covid and our churches were locked. That, in my opinion, was when the Restrainer (2 Thessalonians) left the building.

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Dianne Raimondi's avatar

All popes from the post-conciliar error are a problem!!!!!

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Elaine's avatar

The real beginning of all this was Vatican II.

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Back In the Day's avatar

This is scandalous.

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Shawn Albert's avatar

Yes, it is, and that's putting it mildly.

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Anne Heath's avatar

Chris, I am a Novus Ordo attender and intend to remain so. There's a lot of ardor in the pews. But I agree with everything you're saying. Do you believe that the Eucharist is transubstantiated at the NO mass? Do not despair, God is going to set His house in order. We're probably entering into a period of "Great Chastisement" (see Marian prophesy about our times). Keep up the good work, God is using you.

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Chris Jackson's avatar

Yes, I do as long as there is proper form, matter, and intention. I don’t judge any anti-modernist individual Catholics in this crisis who are trying to resist evil. We are all doing the best we can and need each others support and unified resistance. Trad Inc. has failed and surrendered. We need to pick up the flag and keep going. God bless you.

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Chris Jackson's avatar

That said, I would encourage you to attend a traditional Latin mass if there is one in your area. I believe it perfects our dispositions to enable us to receive more graces.

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Chris Jackson's avatar

Also, there are common practices in the New Mass that are irreverent such as communion in the hand, girl altar boys, Eucharistic ministers, heretical hymns, lay lectors, immodest dress of the congregation, heretical, sermons, etc.

In addition, the rite itself downplays the propitiatory sacrifice and is not a tradition but a concoction by a committee

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Dianne Raimondi's avatar

You are right. I go to the novus ordo as there are no latin masses in my area.I live in the Boston area and the diocese is extremely modernist. I keep hoping that the sspx will built a chapel.

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Antonia D's avatar

Check https://www.latinmass.com/find-latin-mass . It looks like there’s an SSPX within an hour’s drive of Boston, and a couple of diocesan TLMs closer than that. Maybe the map isn’t up to date? If so, maybe you could submit a correction.

Take care and God bless!

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Anne Heath's avatar

Well, I'm 72 and in an energy crisis (personal energy), so I'm not going to drive 1 hour each way on Sunday--my eyes can't take it. I have to drive a lot for other things (cannot dodge that bullet), so driving has become a mortification. But I want to reassure you as a Third Order Carmelite that there are quite a few very devoted people in the pews and in Third Orders. Third Orders are attracting a lot of people, and these people say the Divine Office (among others) every day and try (don't always make it, but the intention is there) to pray two hours a day. No one in my group says "oh, pray two hours a day," it just works out that way, on average. A lot age with physical infirmity into "Christian hermit" status (I'm half way there), and pray all day in a way. God is going to act. Also, I haven't "given up" on Pope Leo. God is not through with Pope Leo yet. He is NOT as bad as Pope Francis in my mind, because he does not appear to have a vindictive streak. I wish the cancelled priests would get uncancelled. But I see God is sustaining them in their torture of being "sidelined", and is using them too.

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Catherine Polumbus's avatar

Could please the Holy sidelined Priests disobey the Novis Ordo Bishops (invalidly ordained themselves), and offer Traditional Masses for the people starving for a daily Mass?

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Anne Heath's avatar

Some of them probably are already doing this. Shhh.

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Susan Sherwin's avatar

I noticed weakening as soon as I left TLM,little by little even strong temptation not to attend NO Mass on Sunday.

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RosaryKnight's avatar

As long as there is proper form, matter, intention, and proper minister, the latter being for most sacraments a validly ordained priest or bishop. Which brings us to this debated point:

novusordowatch.org/2018/06/unholy-orders-50-years-invalid-ordinations

What the article concludes is very apparent to me, but for most it is a very hard nut to swallow. But then again, I have a pretty good idea just how egregioulsy evil "Saint" Paul VI was. In other words, I believe he invalidated the episcopal consecration rite intentionally.

chiesaviva.com/lettera%20ai%20cardinali/letter%20to%20cardinals.pdf (summary of his evils)

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Voco Veritas's avatar

How can there be transubstantiation when the "priests" saying the word was ordained in a heretical rite as are all things since VII? We know modernism has been declared heretical so how can ANYTHING to do with VII be considered valid, regardless of the words spoken?

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Martin T's avatar

I have spent years with the arguments on both sides. I am sure the New was designed to change our perception, but it still does what it is meant to, as Tradition supplies the defects in the form. So long as the Old survives, and the two rites are equivalent, the New exists in continuity with the Old. If the Old is destroyed, the New is untethered and can be used to mean anything to anyone.

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Voco Veritas's avatar

There are no "defects" in the Traditional Rite of the Mass, but there defects and much worse in the novus ordo sacrilege.

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Martin T's avatar

Agree on the first part. Just making the point that the official view is that V2 never changed anything, only external elements. That may be tenuous, but it is just about credible while the TLM survives. Same Mass, two rites. Which is why too many reformers want the TLM out of the way.

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Voco Veritas's avatar

Not to be argumentative, I wish to reply. IMHO, it is parsing words to say VII never changed anything. While an argument could be made that since it was an ecumenical council, not a doctrinal one, that statement may be technically correct. But it is abundantly clear that the Masons had planned for over 100 years to infiltrate the Church in order to put one of their own in the Chair of Peter. Through their efforts, VII opened the flood gates for countless heresies, NONE of which the Church has ever denounced. Instead, since John XXIII, countless heretics have been rewarded for their sins which is a sin in and of itself, as those responsible deliberately refused to do their sacred duty to defend the doctrines of the Church.

Modernism was formally declared a heresy by Pope Pius X. All those who commit it are automatically excommunicated by their actions alone, with no need of judgment. (See 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 2314.)

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Martin T's avatar

Thanks for the reassurance there! I will cling to the idea that the two rites are interchangeable on the basis that while the old remains in place, the new is ‘only’ a (poor) copy of the old. Which is why the old is so significant - destroy it and everything else is destroyed with it.

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RosaryKnight's avatar

See the scholarly (esp. in the notes) but easy to understand Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI by Fr Anthony Cekada, which covers the history & development of the Traditional & especially New Mass: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada

youtube.com/watch?v=KN7oftiL4XY (chapter summaries)

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Elaine's avatar

Sadly, the two rites are not interchangeable. They teach different religions. Have you ever researched the history behind the new mass or studied the differences between the Tridentine Rite and the New Order Rite? They are significant.

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Voco Veritas's avatar

Agree. One need only read the Alta Vendita to conclude that modernists intended to destroy the Church by destroying the clergy and the Liturgy.

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Marlon Dunsky's avatar

The TLM is your birthright and it's been taken from you. When I attended a TLM for the first time I was lost and confused but I knew instinctually that this was the true Mass. This was reverence. And that something very wrong was going on in the NO. It's been almost 10 years now. Faithful Catholics must dig deep, do their homework and cannot rely on invincible ignorance. Or convenience for that matter. We must reclaim our birthright. If you're reading CJ regularly you're on the road. We must all come home one soul at a time.

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Men's Media Network's avatar

The V2 revision of the Lectionary of the Mass, having deleted all readings referring to sin, hell and damnation, was enough to make me realize the Novus Ordo Mass is a neo-Protestant rite.

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Martin T's avatar

Not at all. I prefer the TLM and was an admirer of Abp Lefebrve. I don’t though deny the validity of the NO, it is still the rite most in use for most Catholics. There are dark forces - perhaps we can agree? - that want to change the substance and the survival of the TLM makes this much harder.

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Pauly Fongemie's avatar

Ultimately the difference between the two rites is that one is Catholic, i.e. lex orandi, lex credendi. The NO Mass violates the canons of dogmatic Trent. It teaches a different religion, one born from the ape of the Church that Archbishop Sheen warned us about. This is why the Immemorial Mass is feared by those who have lost the faith or never had it. Latin debate serves to cover the truth up.

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Fr. Darrell Roman's avatar

Chris ~ Thank you very much for your hard work, your posts and informing the Roman Catholics of the truth that is taking place within the Church today... Many of us knew that Leo was not going to be any different than Francis... Francis walked in "Black Shoes" and Leo followed... Could be a sign... Black equivalated with evil... and sure enough, the road that they are walking is evil... I wonder what so called Rad-Trad's like Michael Matt, Taylor Marshall and others like them are going to say now... must also add Cardinal Burke... he was tossed a bread crumb for offering up the TLM in St. Peter's that also hosted Pachamama and the whole Rainbow evil. As I have written up before, the good Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre said that the Council of Destruction is creating a whole New Church and New Religion... well... here we have it! Only God can clean up this mess! We on our part must pray and pray and pray!!! Now is the time to put into our hands the weapon that Our Blessed Mother gave us the Rosary... Pray it every day with not only our lips, but most important our hearts, begging Almighty God to keep us faithful to the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, Her teachings, Her traditions and that St. Michael and his army of Angels will banish Satan, his minions banish them from Rome! Prayer along with informing people of what is going on within the Church and that we defend Holy Mother the Church and speak out when we see evil that is taking place within our own parishes, Dioceses' and Church... Be Not Afraid to Speak the Truth...

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Voco Veritas's avatar

Yes, though we faithful Catholics cannot attend anything to do with the abominations of VII as it is heretical as proven in many ways. Rev Cekada's excellent book proves that as do the words and deeds of popes and bishops since VII. We cannot compromise our faith with heretics which we do when we attend any V II protestant supper club meeting which is NOT a mass but a heretical gathering of the lost, lead by a "President" in the guise of a priest who "presides" over the meeting.

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FXM's avatar

Thank you. The show continues with even more immoral and wicked presentations: drones over St Peter’s with Francis face scowling as always, hip-hop shows, arch anti-Catholics being received and warmly greeted by Leo and the hypocrisy and outright willful ignorance he exudes by offering a Latin Novus Ordo ‘mess’ as a solution. He is carrying a very sharp sword and does not seem afraid to use it in the near future. The irony of Trad, Inc still-waiting for Leo to come around now that Burke gets to have a TLM on the altar that was profaned by Pachamama idols and fetishes.

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Joe Martinez's avatar

And the most diabolical and mind boggling (as Fr Isaac Mary would say) mystery of it all is that SSPX stands in alliance with "the holy father."

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Elaine's avatar

Their position is more damaging to souls than Protestantism as they believe all who have occupied the Chair of Peter from St. Peter and now Leo have been true popes but the Vatican II popes don't have to be obeyed if the SSPX doesn't agree with their teachings and this position denies Catholic teaching that we are to be obedient to the pope.

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Men's Media Network's avatar

You don’t have to be sede to understand that obedience to apostasy can’t be a thing.

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Elaine's avatar

The sede is simply a Catholic who believes all of what the Catholic Church has always taught including what it teaches on obedience to the pope and magesterium in union with him.

If one believes a pope can be an apostate or heretic, they do not believe what the Church teaches.

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Francisca's avatar

No-one has to be obedient to even the Pope if he is ordering/requesting us to do something which isn't in line with Dogma/doctrine/10 Commandments. Nor to Priests and Bishops. So the SSPX aren't obligated either.

I think you know that perfectly well. Sometimes you Sedes seem to be mainly fuelled by hatred/resentment of the SSPX - and we know who else hates them, don't we. Which is why Satan uses people to attack them - from outside and inside, much like he does Christ's Church itself.

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Patrick O'Brien's avatar

Did you notice also that Leo doesn't want to get very involved with homo issues, lest there be polarization? But Leo, the Gospel is all about polarization. Every moral issue involves some kind of polarization.

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Francisca's avatar

He doesn't seem over-concerned about the sex abuse either. EWTN report: "One of the issues the Curia has on its plate is the clerical sexual abuse crisis. Pope Leo said while it remains unresolved, it cannot be the Church’s sole focus.

It is a challenge to balance providing help and justice for victims with respect for the rights of the accused, he said. “We’re in kind of a bind there.”

More deflection and gobbledegook. Aside from dogma etc., I'm not sure what is more important than bringing sexually abusive Priests to justice - both secular and spiritual. Practically speaking, what could cause more scandal for Christ's Church?

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William The Samaritan's avatar

If there is no 'meaningful difference" between the LM and NO, then why was the NO made to begin with? He doesn't really believe this. The man is much worse than Francis precisely because he is the embodiment of institutional blasé.

On a humorous note, the Substack reader pronounces Blase Cupich something that sounds like Blasé Cupid. Ha

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Marcus Mills's avatar

This goes the other way too; TLMers who have no real principled critique of the new mass and its differences should be more than willing to accept a so called reverent NO rather than being disobedient and clinging to something else.

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Men's Media Network's avatar

“…TLMers who have no real principled critique of the new mass…”

Those would be uncatechized young people and unschooled converts in the Trad Catholic community. They aren’t the lumpen Novus Ordo proletariat and they shouldn’t be expected to automatically embrace V2 “worship” over the Mass of the Ages simply for their lack of knowledge.

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Marcus Mills's avatar

Not necessarily. There are plenty of people who know better who turn a blind eye to the errors of the new mass. I’m thinking of the certain communities who concelebrate a few times a year (and some of those liturgies I’ve seen are horrible) or the prevalent cardinal who also loves a reverent NO. If there is nothing objectionable about the NO, than one should be obedient and just accept it rather than hanging onto the true mass as some museum piece or charism.

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My personal opinion, those Catholics who accept the V2 N.O. as the “Ordinary” form and the Tridentine Mass as the “Extraordinary” form while favoring the latter for its aesthetics are as irrelevant as flat earthers when it comes to this fight for the soul of the Roman Catholic Church. This includes people I otherwise respect like Raymond Arroyo. But let’s face it, the Raymond Arroyos of the world are pretty much only reaching conservative N.O. Catholics who are already obedient to the modernist antipope hierarchy.

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Marcus Mills's avatar

It’s not just the Raymond arroyos who fall into this. It’s high profile “traditionalists” like Cardinal Burke whom the majority of the so called tradiworld looks up to.

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I see your point. The “conservative” prelates are the very worst of the wolves in shepherds clothing. But where do we find Cdl. Burke in the media other than at EWTN and its spin-offs?

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Sonia's avatar

What is the difference between Trad Inc. and Moan-about-the-Pervert-"Pope" Inc.? Both sell a defacto satanist as the Vicar of Christ. Both mock Christ by pretending a perfidious mini-antichrist is Christ's Vicar.

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Joyce's avatar

Leo's words are ambiguous and yes, he is gaslighting us as well. He speaks in circular tones, not coming to the point. I was skeptical when Leo was elected Pope and he has proven to me that he will be like Francis, a Francis II. Doctrine can't be changed to fit modern mores, nor can the Word of God be changed, for HIS word is forever, His word is Truth and His word is Law.

Attitudes change like the direction of the wind and we can't base what we believe on what attitudes are in fashion or that society accepts. Why does Leo think we can Change God's word, the true teachings of the faith, based on the 10 commandments, Christ's teaching, the teaching of the Apostles handed down these almost 2000 years. The church is not a democracy and we cannot base our doctrine and Faith on what man wants or his wims.

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fac's avatar
Sep 19Edited

In my mind, he's not really Francis 2.0, he's more like the next size up of a Matryoshka doll set, those Russian wooden nesting dolls that have the same doll beginning with tiny and graduating in size, but all identical in every other way.

We began with tiny Modernist doll John XXIII, then the next size up, Paul VI, then the next two sizes, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI, (neither of whom ever corrected what their predecessors did, but in fact, in many ways, moved the ball down the field), and then larger doll Francis, and now even bigger doll, Leo XIV.

With each successive Pope the agenda must move more toward the goal; destruction of the Holy Catholic Church.

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Elaine's avatar

No true pope would have the goal of destruction of the Holy Catholic Church.

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Francisca's avatar

Great analogy - and they are certainly advancing towards their goal by leaps and bounds. They just forget one Person - God! Which makes it all very strange to me. I wouldn't want to spend a day in their heads.

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Elaine's avatar

Well his predecessor's from Paul VI through Francis all changed some of the true teachings of the faith so why wouldn't he?

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Melissa Justice's avatar

Leo’s statements are nothing more than back fill: the camouflaging of hypocrisy, the licentious behavior of decades, and the disdain for God’s word.

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Shawn Albert's avatar

Frankly, when "Trad, Inc." didn't call out Leo after the lgbtq debacle, it was pretty much over... It was (and is) clear to me that they supported it. There is no other way to see it. Not because I say so but because that's the simple reality. Either oppose evil and call it out, or you support it.

That said, great article. As usual, telling it like it is.

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